The Voynich Ninja

(03-08-2020, 12:09 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(02-08-2020, 11:40 PM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

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I think that Voynich himself added some words throughout the VMS. For example, adding words such as like the words between the feet of goat figures. It doesn't matter what language they are in VMS with short text or some words. The important part is the language of the main large texts seen on every page throughout the manuscript. Which main part is in old Turkish.

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No, Voynich didn't add the month labels. They are in 15th-century script with 15th-century abbreviation conventions, and the spelling is from a specific region that Voynich probably didn't know about. I have palaeographic samples that can localize and provide a significant amount of confirmation for the regional and temporal origin of the month labels. I spent many years looking into this.

I don't think they were part of the original writing, I think they were added later, but they were not added in the 20th century. No one wrote like this after the 16th century.

Hi,
I don't understand what you're talking about because I never write or say that 'Voynich did add the month labels'.

(03-08-2020, 09:22 AM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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I don't understand what you're talking about because I never write or say that 'Voynich did add the month labels'.

You wrote this:

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Ahmet Ardıç Wrote:I think that Voynich himself added some words throughout the VMS. For example, adding words such as like the words between the feet of goat figures.

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The labels beneath the feet of the goat figures (and the other zodiac figures) are month labels. They are written in abbreviated Latin alphabet... March (Mars), April (Aberil), May (Maÿ), June, July, etc. They are written in 15th-century script (but probably after the VMS was finished).

Or did you mean some other goat figures??

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(03-08-2020, 09:22 AM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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I don't understand what you're talking about because I never write or say that 'Voynich did add the month labels'.

You wrote this:

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Ahmet Ardıç Wrote:I think that Voynich himself added some words throughout the VMS. For example, adding words such as like the words between the feet of goat figures.

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The labels beneath the feet of the goat figures (and the other zodiac figures) are month labels. They are written in abbreviated Latin alphabet... March (Mars), April (Aberil), May (Maÿ), June, July, etc. They are written in 15th-century script (but probably after the VMS was finished).

Or did you mean some other goat figures??

Okay, now I understand the situation after this explanation. The words we are talking about have been written with a different alphabet, with a different hand and a different ink. We think that the VMS author doesn't added those words. But we think these words might have been added to VMS by Voynich himself.

Voynich (or just possibly one of his staff) wrote the "J1022" that can be seen on the inside front cover.

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In general, he used pencil.

(03-08-2020, 10:04 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.They were not added by Voynich. They are in a 15th-century script. They use 15th-century abbreviations. Why would Voynich change his handwriting to add some month labels? They were probably added sometime between 1440 and 1490 (approximately).

Hello JKP,

Your question is "Why would Voynich change his handwriting to add some month labels?"
 
The first time that Voynich "acquired" VMS, he must have probably thought of selling VMS as well. However at first time, when he was get the VMS, he had no any idea about how he can described the book to sell it for any client. He could not read VMS and he did not know how to define VMS for potential client. 

For this reason, if he shows VMS in connection with any well-known historical figures, he must have thought that he could sell it more comfortably. 

Who wrote the name Tepenec on the f-1r page in VMS? 

I think, Voynich himself or one of his co-workers has added some articles on VMS. It must have made the first addition on the f-1r page. But then he probably thought that the ink he used was darker than the original. In order to camouflage reason this dark color in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in VMS, he (or one of his co-workers) has been smeared the same ink in various ways throughout the VMS pages. So it seemed that the new ink was look like in  the original ink color pattern of VMS. 

Voynich has never provided accurate information about his work and especially about the sources of the large number of MS he sells.

The manuscripts were stolen from the lands under the auspices of the Ottoman Empire and especially from cities such as Istanbul, Bursa, Izmir and Konya. We found strong traces that could prove it. We will talk about them in our books in the future. 

The story of Voynich Siberia escape was also a lie. It can be said that this person speaks lie about himself and his work almost throughout his life. Contrary to what is known, he decided to go the "manuscript business" during his Siberian escape. He escape has been probably organized by British intelligence. The escape route was on the historical silk road. However, Voynich had told a completely different story about it during her lifetime. 

After some time, He was probably using different passports for him under different names. He was probably traveling to a certain geography (for example, to Istanbul) with a certain passport only.

On the way to escape, he must have been offered what to do in the future. He came by road to Iran and Istanbul. On the way, he was introduced to future business partners. At least one partner was a senior official in the Ottoman state system. There was numerous library complexes and educational institutions at that time with large libraries with tens of thousands of manuscripts in each. Ottoman libraries had many Byzantine Empire manuscript at that time too. Byzantine manuscripts were transferred to the Ottoman libraries, in large numbers, after the acquisition of Istanbul in 1453. 

Ottoman sultans was speak several languages at a good level and they could have been read and write in these languages. This includes languages such as Latin and Greek. Because these languages were learned and taught in the Ottoman palace, and the mothers of many of them or the women in their harem were also native speakers of many languages. In other words, they have been growing in a multilingual environment since childhood. For example, in 1453, we know that Fatih Sultan Mehmet knew about 6 or 7 different languages at very good level. Many sultans liked to read books, and they brought special works from around the world for them and was built new and large libraries.

Before European allied armies invaded (some time before 1890 to 1923) Istanbul and Anatolia, they had carried out various activities with their agents in this region. One of these activities was to make fires in various places to break trust in Ottoman management and resistance of the people. Especially between 1890 and 1923, many palaces were burned together with the libraries of educational institutions and palaces. We have examined the 33-year period in which Voynich operates. We scanned the incidents of fire in the archives. The number of fire started in the past 33 years before and after the theft activities of Voynich was not much. When this person trades, these fire-events increase exponentially. However, the strange part is that fires usually starts mostly occur in buildings with a rich Ottoman library (or started around libraries) / (or expanded fires mostly were being started around library complexes).

The first date that Voynich started these dirty works is also wrongly known in the West today. In fact, he started doing these business in some time between the end of 1890 and early 1892.

Voynich's top-secret partner's main team was working in Istanbul and they probably have been done most of these fires work. Before that, they were slowly taking out books from libraries. After stealing a large number of manuscripts, they have been burned the remaining books along with the libraries to hide theft.  

Why some of the pages of VMS missing in time? But the Marci letter (which is separated paper in the book) is not missing in time?

Because those who stole sent them to Italy first by a ship cargo every time. But against the risk of  for cargo control while passing through customs, they were tearing the pages of the Ottoman library seals before sent. (Ottoman libraries were gave the works to those who want to read them. They were giving them to the public to be brought back after reading. Unlike public libraries, a limited number of people have been uses the Palace libraries in Ottoman time. However, libraries was add their seals on front and / or back covers of most books. Or sometimes some randomly selected pages in some books were sealed with library-ownership-expressing seals.) 

So, Voynich was a liar. He was probably knows that his partners was burned some libraries with a large number of MS works, and he saw nothing wrong to harm in tearing some pages of many books.

We will write more detail in our book with some findings. 

We do not have all the evidence that proves 100% what I say here. However, we must continue to investigate. 
In addition, The existing findings today strongly support that this works was probably done as we described here.

Why Voynich didn't sell this VMS? 

At first time he wanted to sell VMS. However, this work was especially reported in the press due to various speculations made on it.
 (If he wanted to sell it, he would have reduced the price of VMS and could sell it. However, we think that although he behaved as if he wanted to sell, he didn't actually want to sell it.
Thus;
1- Voynich gave the impression that he could not sell some books. He must have thought that this may help psychologically that public attention not to focus on the total number of books he has been selling.
2- His name was heard in more places via VMS.)

Name of Voynich was also mentioned when VMS was always became a news or discussed among academics and in public. In other words, the fact that he did not sell this work enabled him to announce his name more and become more legitimate. He had already increased the amount of money and he don't need to sell VMS for money in reality.

He became a millionaire after started this dirty business.

The work done by Voynich was not only his own personal success. We can say that, probably British intelligence was behind his works and / or support him. For this reason probably, a lot of evidence was destroyed in Europe in order to hide the real number of MS books was stolen.

Sorry for my broken English. I hope you understand what I wrote here. 

So, contrary to what is known today, Voynich was not a good person. For this reason, why we will think that Voynich itself can not been make some additions in the VMS such as adding the Tepenec name on f-1r?

Is there any clear and incontestable evidence that others may have made such additions in History but not Voynich itself? Are the ones that are seen as evidence really adding in medieval period? I think that some so-called evidence is not historical, and it may have been produced later (in Voynich's life time), such as "Marci letter". 

Of course I did some speculation here. However, There are some findings that can prove some of what we say today. If we all continue to investigate past together, I think that we can prove all that I said here with together. 

Also, remember that many conclusions about this issue in Europe and in the world have not open this node. That is why, some things that are commonly believed today as true that may be not really true. For this reason, I suggest you only evaluate the issues with a different perspective. Because the issue of VMS could not be explained clearly with the widespread perspective of the last 100 years. 

I think that about 1 million manuscripts have been stolen by this network, but a great number of works have been burned. Moreover, there are strong signs in this direction.

Of course, we know that the British secret service will not give us the old files that they recorded the facts. Because the return of the stolen historical MS-works and or some compensation issues may come up in the future. However, I think the more important part could be that British Government never wants that the name of the British state secret service/institution looks connected with this kind of big-burglary business.

At the end, Various lies spread by Voynich itself in the past. Past lies has been part of the main foundation of public views about VMS, and about his business in time. However, this person was not an honest person.

Thanks,

Ahmet Ardıç
ATA Team Alberta

(03-08-2020, 06:20 PM)RobGea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Wow !

I was going to say that 

Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: Who wrote the name Tepenec on the f-1r page in VMS? 

The name is in the same handwriting as books that came from the library of Jacobi á Tepenecz, so I would say it is most likely that Jacobi á Tepenecz added his name to the manuscript when it was in his hands in the 16th century. This was a normal thing to do in the Middle Ages. An Ex Libris mark (usually the person's name and sometimes the date) was commonly added to a foreleaf, to the first page, or to an internal page.

When someone new acquired the book, it was normal to cross out the old Ex Libris and add a new one. Sometimes they completely erased the old Ex Libris, leaving only a stain. I have many examples in my files.


I don't think Voynich, Nill, or Ethel were forgers. It takes good fine-motor coordination (and a good eye) to forge handwriting. Most people are not good at it and the handwriting of Voynich, Nill, and Ethel do not show the level of fine-motor coordination that is needed to do this.