The Voynich Ninja

(26-04-2019, 08:27 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That word, top right is more than likely the word "cere". You are counting two of the "e" letters as cees. It's more clear than most of the words on the folio. The footed "r" is written in a normal style for the time.

For the last c word, you fail to see two stray apostrophes ('), the second of which strikes the end of the top of the last c causing you to think that it is something other than a c.

(26-04-2019, 08:27 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Note how the "c" has a flat top and the "e" shapes have round tops and little hooks on them. They are not the same letter.

I don't think the first one (top left) is a "c" either. It's probaby "e" as in "ce" or "te". It is rounded.

It is perfectly OK to throw out one of the c's because prophecy V-35 (535) is actually the 435th stanza to appear in the Nostradamus prophecies, so it's a win-win for the author of the marginalia either way.

(26-04-2019, 08:27 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why did you count the "x" on morix and marix and ignore the one on "vix". You can't say the Roman numerals are numbers and then ignore the ones that are inconvenient to your conclusion.

The second range begins with a 6 ("six") so it is completely logical that it should also end with a 6 ("vi"). You need to be more observant of the details!

It pains me to see how good brain cells and valuable time are spent (in the sense of "wasted") by responding to all this.

You're right René.

Morten, for as long as the forum exists, post #821 will stand as a testament to your reasoning.

Over and out.

JKP better repopulate the blogosphere reader instead

I totally agree with Rene. JKP has mountains of valuable material to publish.

(26-04-2019, 08:27 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why did you count the "x" on morix and marix and ignore the one on "vix". You can't say the Roman numerals are numbers and then ignore the ones that are inconvenient to your conclusion.

If I had skipped over an x to arrive at 35, you would have a very strong argument, but that is not the case. The count reaches 35 just prior to the x of vix.

As previously indicated, the marginalia takes internal measures to stop the count at "vi":



As you can see, this i (in contrast to the first i that was purely vertical) is slanted backwards and darkened. It is cut off by the x from underneath and pushed back by the strokes on the upper right. This has to be where the count is halted.

BTW, unknown to you, the marginalia "six" does in fact mean six (6). This word (exact spelling) appears four times times in the VMS prophecies and every time in association with other numbers. Anyone who was familiar with those prophecies (which obviously does not include you) would immediately take the "six" as a signal to start looking for numbers.

I'm growing tired of endless unfounded hostility to my ideas and hopefully you guys can be take a more professional approach in the future. And I will try to be less cynical.

(26-04-2019, 08:27 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why did you count the "x" on morix and marix and ignore the one on "vix".

JP, 

It seems I overlooked responding to an implied question.

I've interpreted your "marix" as "quarix" on the basis of "quadrix" (Brumbaugh 1975) and "quarix" (Newbold 1928). Unlike the other m's in the marginalia, there seems to be some space between the first and second parts of the m. I also see a tinge of a horizontal line across the first part, which would be more typical of a q than an m. An isolated q appears in the third line of the incantation:



In the marginalia, we find the acute accent in red ink just above the u. The red ink also overwrites part of the first part of the m and separates it from the second part. (Typically, there is nothing accidental or coincidental in this type of writing and that would include the red ink blots) Thus, the correct answer may be neither morix nor quarix but rather q uarix where the isolated q abbreviates words that could include the "Qui" found just below the q at the beginning of the next line of the incantation. And this just happens to be the precise word (including the capital letter) that we find at the beginning of the second line of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. prophecy (v-35): "Qui porte".

But beyond all that, I fully agree with you: it's looks like an m.

(26-04-2019, 07:43 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why, it's quite obviously a bad bit of functional calculus!

Quote:

f(x)+t(x) -> {C:r+G} ........

Rather than that, I like to refer to it as "secret communication". It was employed to a greater or lessor extent (sometimes only within a graphic) in all Rosicrucian publications dating from 1588 to 1638 and this includes works written in the French, English, Italian, German and Latin languages.

In secret communication, the author tries to send a message to someone in the distant future knowing full well that, in the interim period, his message is going to pass into the hands of people (ie. the Inquisition) who would want to destroy his message if they were to figure out what it said. The message that the author of the VMS marginalia wanted to send into the future included clues on how to decode the VMS.

How does he accomplish this? If he employs some type of code, how does he get the decoding keys into the future while making sure that those keys wouldn't also fall into the hands of the Inquisition?

So what does he do? He knows he would prefer to send the message to someone in the future who has already identified the VMS prophecies (a small subset of the Nostradamus prophecies), so he writes in such a way that his writing could only be understood by someone who was familiar with those prophecies. And in the interim, the thousands of inquisitors who saw his communication were never able to make heads or tails of it.

Thus the first two words of the marginalia, pox leber, despite a darkened x and a dot over leber, are universally accepted as meaning goat's liver (never mind that the VMS is ostensibly a botany book) but someone who is familiar with the prophecies will notice that similar wording, per liber or por libre, are the first two words of a VMS prophecy. He can also envision ga| mich as a truncation of gal(lo) mich(el) while the inquisitors only see goose's milk (never mind that milk is usually spelled milch and that it has no other relevance to anything). And for calculus, he knows that the por libre prophecy has a number that might be indicated within the gibberish.

I now realize that secret communication lies permanently beyond the comprehension of inquisitors so I will drop the topic at least for the time being. I have new ideas on resolving other mysteries of the VMS and will start posting on that shortly.

I've found something in Wikipedia that lends support to my theory that the Europe-related content of the VMS dates from the 13th century (when Cathars migrated to the Americas) rather than from the 15th century. Specifically, I've found the following drawing that is dated circa 1200:



Let's now compare that with the following VMS drawings:



The first one (sun with rays) reminds of the ca. 1200 sun with rays. The second one (moon with stars) reminds me of the ca. 1200 moon with stars. And the third one (odd design) reminds me of the ca. 1200 odd-looking hat.

Of major relevance, however, is what Wikipedia has to say about the ca. 1200 drawing:

"It is very uncommon for an illustration of the high medieval period to show Sun and Moon with faces; this is a direct precedent of a convention that would become widespread only in the Renaissance period, some 300 years later (e.g. Nuremberg Chronicles, 1493)."

I take it that "very uncommon" implies that the monks of northern Italy were not busy churning out drawings of the Sun and Moon with faces during the period 1404 - 1438 (the radiocarbon range of the VMS). Note that the Sun and Moon with faces make repeated appearances in the VMS so, for the VMS authors, it clearly had some cultural or religious significance not otherwise seen in Europe during the early 15th century.

Conclusion: Authorship of the VMS in 15th-century Italy (or anywhere else in Europe) has now become even more incredulous.

I've seen many of them. I found these in less than five minutes, which means there are many more:

BNF Français 13096 c. 1313 sun and moon with faces
Fraz Ms 287 c. 1390 to c. 1400 sun and moon with faces
Hildegard von Bingen, sun and moon with faces
Lauber Studio mid-1400s sun and moon with faces
LJS 449 c. 1446, sun and moon with faces
Manzor A384, sun and moon with faces
De Sphaera, sun and moon with faces

I believe my own eyes long before I believe what people write in Wikipedia. Anyone can write or edit a Wiki article and sometimes they don't know what they are talking about.