The Voynich Ninja

(22-09-2019, 05:21 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....


In my last post I noted that a copy of the Sworn Book of Honorius (our guide to decoding the VMS) was inscribed with "Sum Ben: Jonsonij liber".



That should erase all doubt that "liber" rather than "leber" was the intention because, in MSG Theory, the person named in that inscription became a close personal friend of the author of the VMS marginalia.

I see ex libris annotations all the time in manuscripts. I've collected many of them. People write their names in books or they describe where it is from (e.g., a specific monastery). And the word "liber" is in many of those annotations.


But the annotation at the top-left of 116v is NOT an ex libris in any normal sense of the word, so there's no reason to assume that the word must be "liber" just because other books have "ex libris" notations. They also have charms, healing recipes, and incantations, and the text on 116v follows THAT format much more closely than any ex libris notaton I've seen.


A researcher's job is to observe, describe, learn, adjust, and describe some more...

You seem to just assume, assume, assume, assume, and assume (always trying to take shortcuts) without taking the time to acquire enough background about a particular thing to actually describe it accurately or within its proper context.

(22-09-2019, 06:41 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....


I find it very sad that institutionalized ignorance on the made-in-northern-Italy theme (now extended to northern Europe by some) makes you guys incapable of seeing that the VMS depicts the real experiences of real women trying to survive in a real tropical swamp.

Carcasses were processed everywhere there were human beings, not just in swamps.

(22-09-2019, 10:53 AM)DONJCH Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(22-09-2019, 10:07 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The word "Leber" is also due to the fact that just below it stands a drawing with the insides of an animal.

...and the animal is a goat, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. shows the two horns curving backwards, not antlers, which are branched.
My 2 cents worth.

DONJCH, I hate to have to inform you of this but, in addition to horns, goats have great big ears which are nowhere to be seen in the VMS depiction.



Among all mammals usable for parchment, only deer have upright ears rising from the back of the head. Unfortunately, marsh deer (distinguishable for their black lower legs as depicted in the VMS drawing) are now extinct in North America (which means no Wikimedia photo of them is available). I have written for permission to post a photo of a surviving member of that species from South America and in the meantime a link to that marsh deer photo will have to suffice.

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In MSG Theory, the original version of the swamp drawings seen in the VMS were made on deer skin in the second half of the 13th century and the accompanying text was likely written in an Old World language. Some 150 years later, the deer-skin drawings were copied over to parchment made of bison skin but the intelligible writing was replaced with Voynichese script that is probably meaningless.

Even without the depiction of the armadillo (another animal that liked to live near swamps), the gulf coast swamps remain the most realistic location for the naked women scenes of the VMS.

In MSG Theory, which garnishes support from esoteric writings, the VMS was made in Mexico, from where it found its way to Peru, from where it found its way to London. The VMS likely arrived in London shortly before September 1583, the month in which John Dee allegedly went abroad, that is, the month in which Dee decided to withdraw himself from public life in order to dedicate all of his time to decoding the VMS.

In MSG Theory, it took two years to decode the VMS as in late 1585 the decoders went abroad to join up with French language experts (Scaliger, Montaigne, and Castelnau) to produce a French translation of the decoded VMS and to backdate its publication by a couple of decades. It took three years to complete the publication task.

In MSG Theory, the VMS never spent a single day anywhere in central Europe nor in Italy: they simply forged those letters (recall that they were master forgers) to draw attention away from England.

(22-09-2019, 07:38 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(22-09-2019, 06:41 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.real women trying to survive in a real tropical swamp.

Wouldn't you expect a few more trees and alligators then?

Are you looking at the VMS drawings? Tree huts and rainwater dripping down tall trees (sometimes into buckets for drinking or washing purposes) are depicted on several pages.



The predator animal has the body of a spotted jaguar but the head of an alligator. The gal is looking at her friends high up in the tree running down the entire left side of the page.



Here's a depiction of one of them peacefully asleep in her tree hut.

(22-09-2019, 07:45 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why is she naked and standing in the barrel for washing the carcass?

Koen, the naked women of the VMS were apparently profoundly intelligent which would explain their heavy use of abstract art, which in turn explains why so many people have trouble comprehending those drawings.

Interspersed with real-life depictions, they imaginatively depict themselves absorbing life energies from the plants in their environment:



It has nothing to do with "biology" as some of you believe.

Why are they naked? I imagine they decided to adopt the dress code of the locals (the depictions of whom have evidently been removed) and which to this day remains the dress code of some of the natives further south.

I've checked historical weather maps and the swamp regions were even hotter in the late Middle Ages than they are today.

(22-09-2019, 11:21 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.DONJCH, I hate to have to inform you of this but, in addition to horns, goats have great big ears which are nowhere to be seen in the VMS depiction.

None of the goats around here have either great big ears nor horns. I think you're confusing them with elephants (African ones, obviously).

(22-09-2019, 11:45 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The predator animal has the body of a spotted jaguar but the head of an alligator. The gal is looking at her friends high up in the tree running down the entire left side of the page.

She's probably wondering "why didn't you warn me about this damned alligator that's eating me"

(23-09-2019, 12:27 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why are they naked? I imagine they decided to adopt the dress code of the locals

Yup, medieval Europeans were well noted for abandoning their native traditions and customs when moving abroad to integrate seamlessly with the indigenous people of the Americas.

(23-09-2019, 06:29 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(23-09-2019, 12:27 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why are they naked? I imagine they decided to adopt the dress code of the locals

Yup, medieval Europeans were well noted for abandoning their native traditions and customs when moving abroad to integrate seamlessly with the indigenous people of the Americas.

David, For your information, the gals who migrated to America sometimes walked around naked even when back in Europe, as you can see in this Wikimedia depiction of them:



If you don't believe they're the same gals, check out their top-of-head hair style with the hair style of the swamp author:



Really, sometimes I think you guys are absolutely hopeless.

"Cathars being expelled from Carcassonne in 1209"

So you mean they were not undressed because they were being expelled but because they preferred to walk around in the nude?
And how could they go to America and back to Europe in 1209?

It's certainly a refreshing take on history

(23-09-2019, 07:10 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.David, For your information, the gals who migrated to America sometimes walked around naked even when back in Europe, as you can see in this Wikimedia depiction of them:

In my experience, naked people being pushed in front of armed soldiers are neither happy nudist campers, nor a suitable for making jokes of.

AND.... Ritual bathing during the time of menses, and bringing about memses (that is why the women are naked )  

If you look carefully at the woman in the middle of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. she is seated on a "bench" of sorts, that is heated. The Voynich speaks of herbs for pain or to bring on menses.

History of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. or menses in Jewish traditions.

"[i]“This time of the month is called Niddah, one translation meaning separation or make distant—a time for no physical contact with one’s spouse (the underlying meanings vs. what patriarchy has deemed it over the centuries has been an interesting read). And then to partake in mikvah after (a ritual bath usually from rainwater) during times of transition, many women also do this do during any transitional time in life if they so choose—from marriage to menopause and some less traditional do it after graduations).”"[/i]
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