The Voynich Ninja

Not to split hairs (ah hem) but there is no such thing as an American buffalo. The species is actually known as bison. Buffalo are euroasian.

(25-03-2018, 04:21 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You seem to think it's up to us to disprove your theory.

It's not.



It's up to you to prove it, and you keep using arguments that can be refuted or which aren't specific enough to support your theory (which could apply to many other circumstances).

Sir, the title of this thread (which I did not create) is Morten St. George Theory so, I imagine, I was expected to present my theories here and I have done so.

My theories are not frivolous in the sense that I have presented abundant evidence in support of them. It is not my fault that you are incapable of seeing that the animal on page 116v is a deer and not a sheep, or that the animal on page 80v is an armadillo and not a pangolin, or that the fish on page 70r look like aligator gar and not ordinary fish, or that the plant on page 2v has a white flower and not a yellow flower, or that the stars of page 86+ represent martyred souls and not celestial objects, et cetera.

Sadly, my most important theories never came up for discussion. These concern the VMS encryption. I theorize that

1. the red-star passages of the recipes section encrypt 161 verses of prophetic text. The underlying language is sixth-century Latin. One distinction with classical Latin would be an expanded vocabulary with more words borrowed from Greek.

2. the encryption method is expansive in the sense there are many more glyphs than underlying Latin letters. The ratio of glyphs to letters could be 3 to 1, 6 to 1, or something else. This suggests the use of fillers or a method for extracting every n-th glyph on wrap around.

3. in no way does the VMS encrypt sound or pronunciation but is letter for letter precise. For example, the decoders were able to distinguish the letters "i" and "y" which are functionally similar.

I plan to spend the next couple of months trying to do a fresh decoding of this thing. I think I stand a better chance than anyone at being successful: I have a Rosetta Stone to work with!

(25-03-2018, 09:58 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Not to split hairs (ah hem) but there is no such thing as an American buffalo. The species is actually known as bison. Buffalo are euroasian.

No argument from me on that point. I used the word bison in a prior post but decided it might now be best not to get too technical with you guys 

(26-03-2018, 03:14 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Sadly, my most important theories never came up for discussion. These concern the VMS encryption. I theorize that

1. the red-star passages of the recipes section encrypt 161 verses of prophetic text. The underlying language is sixth-century Latin. One distinction with classical Latin would be an expanded vocabulary with more words borrowed from Greek.

Morten St George,
I have already shown to you that your count is incorrect.
There are 163 red stars, not 161, AND keep in mind that we are missing four pages (f109r&v, 110r&v) which puts the original total even higher, probably around 210 based on the average 7 per page.

(26-03-2018, 03:18 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No argument from me on that point. I used the word bison in a prior post but decided it might now be best not to get too technical with you guys 

If you consider that there are PhDs, programmers, aerospace engineers, and some mind-bogglingly intelligent and capable researchers who do just fine without the credentials researching the VMS, I don't think you have to worry about technical capability within this community.

(26-03-2018, 07:59 AM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(26-03-2018, 03:14 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Sadly, my most important theories never came up for discussion. These concern the VMS encryption. I theorize that

1. the red-star passages of the recipes section encrypt 161 verses of prophetic text. The underlying language is sixth-century Latin. One distinction with classical Latin would be an expanded vocabulary with more words borrowed from Greek.

Morten St George,
I have already shown to you that your count is incorrect.
There are 163 red stars, not 161, AND keep in mind that we are missing four pages (f109r&v, 110r&v) which puts the original total even higher, probably around 210 based on the average 7 per page.

I am not counting the miniature star attached to larger star on page 106r as it does not denote a new text passage. And I am not counting the dotted star on the top of page 105r for the following reasons:

1. Unlike the other 161 dotted or solid red stars, it has no text to the right of it.

2. The text below this star begins with a rare glyph with which none of the other 161 dotted/red star passages begin. I am looking at it as a possible signal to turn to page 57v for decoding clues.

3. The rare glyph was overwritten by the decoders with a series of 7 or 8 question marks (?) and I take this as another sign that the respective passage was not published.

I have a question to ask: Are you able to determine if the red dots are the exact same shade of red found elsewhere in the VMS? In other words, is there any chance those red dots could be marginalia?

On missing pages, I also have a few comments to make:

1. It seems to me unlikely that the pages were numbered by the original authors of the VMS. Thus, if the numbers are marginalia, we can hardly confide in them as there may have been sinister motives at play.

2. Even if four pages are truly missing from the text section, you cannot possibly claim that those pages contained text and not something else. For example, the reason those pages are missing could be because they did not belong there.

3. Like other sections of the VMS, the text section appears to be hopelessly out of order:

a) the bunched up writing (a sign that they might be running low of parchment) like what we find on page 111r should be expected closer to the end.

b) assuming that each red star should be followed by a white star or stars from page to page (like what we see down each page), then the 16 pages that end in a red star (for which only 5 begin with a white star on the next page) would suggest that 11 pages (not 4 as you claim) are missing.

4. Even if 11 pages are missing, it does not necessarily mean that we do not have all the published passages. The decoders in their prose writings inform us that they did not publish all of them but only the ones that they considered to be "the most urgent." Thus, it is possible that they retained for the VMS only the published passages and tossed out the remainder.

Note that, beyond correlation on number count, there are other pointers (to which I alluded in prior posts) to the VMS as the source of some of the passages found in that 16th-century publication.

(26-03-2018, 11:31 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(26-03-2018, 03:18 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No argument from me on that point. I used the word bison in a prior post but decided it might now be best not to get too technical with you guys 

If you consider that there are PhDs, programmers, aerospace engineers, and some mind-bogglingly intelligent and capable researchers who do just fine without the credentials researching the VMS, I don't think you have to worry about technical capability within this community.

Is anyone in this community actively engaged at the present time in trying to decode the VMS?

(26-03-2018, 08:49 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is anyone in this community actively engaged at the present time in trying to decode the VMS?

Many of us are, in some way. Even people like myself, who focus on the images, do so in the hopes that it may one day help in decoding the manuscript.

Most people here luckily understand as well that progress on this MS is made in small steps with an open mind, not by blindly taking giant leaps and tryimg to convince others that the seemingly random direction you chose is the right one.

Well, you're not even trying to convince us, you expect us to prove that you're jumping in the wrong direction while ignoring sensible objections.

(26-03-2018, 08:49 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....

Is anyone in this community actively engaged at the present time in trying to decode the VMS?

Yes. It's not as easy as it looks.

(26-03-2018, 09:28 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(26-03-2018, 08:49 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is anyone in this community actively engaged at the present time in trying to decode the VMS?

Many of us are, in some way. Even people like myself, who focus on the images, do so in the hopes that it may one day help in decoding the manuscript.

Most people here luckily understand as well that progress on this MS is made in small steps with an open mind, not by blindly taking giant leaps and tryimg to convince others that the seemingly random direction you chose is the right one.

Well, you're not even trying to convince us, you expect us to prove that you're jumping in the wrong direction while ignoring sensible objections.

Since we cannot read the VMS, there is virtually no way to line up the recipes with their publication. I'm gambling that the mini star on page 106r lines up with the only stanza with a title, resulting in a Rosetta Stone of the title line plus four subsequent verses, a total of five lines of the original Latin matched up with five red-dot passages. If that mini star does not mark a title, then really I have nothing.