The Voynich Ninja

(07-03-2019, 01:54 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I figured you would say something like that, about it still being Montsegur in your eyes. I suppose you could put together a hypothesis like you outlined above about the illustration actually being about Montsegur due to it being closer in time to the creation of the St Denis manuscript than the earlier events, but i think your theory would stand stronger without it, especially since it was in a subsequent edition, it was not a photograph, and there was not enough of any building or landscape showing to identify it confidently.  

It was more than just the similar-looking tower. There was the winding path, a possible catapult, the absence of a crown, the gown of a the royal officer in charge, and the staff of the archbishop who was second in command. A Cathar sympathizer may have been behind the use of that drawing in a Philip II context.

(07-03-2019, 01:54 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You can still have the vms castle being identified as an imagined Montsegur, given the timing difference between the events and the creation of the vms, that is more believable to me than a comparison to a tower top illustration with all the problems that brings into it.

I have suspicions that the original rosettes page was made at Montségur during the ten-month siege and was carried off by those who escaped during the final days of the siege along with the sacred text of their religion (the infamous Cathar treasure). My theory maintains that the Beinecke VMS is a copy of earlier writings. 

The illustration depicts the tower in the shape of an octagon and perhaps the cone was also an octagon, which would make it look round yet have an opening for two flags as noted by JP. The illustration depicts an event just after the fall, thus, presumably, the Cathar flags would have already been taken down by the French army.

(07-03-2019, 01:54 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are now armed with more knowledge to further shape your theory into a stronger one. You havent lost anything, anything that seems like loss was never there, and was actually a loose stone in the foundation of your theory.

A lot of my knowledge comes from esoteric writings of the 16th and 17th centuries which insinuate that the VMS prophecies were at Montségur. This explains why I was so unwavering in my support for Montségur as the subject of that VMS drawing.

(07-03-2019, 01:54 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stay warm on your trip into the cold.

I got lucky on the weather: above freezing at the moment!

I'm kind of glad that the Montségur theme has gone quiet as now, perhaps, attention can turn to more important matters, such as my primary theory that the deep text section of the VMS was the source for publication of the "trente neuf articles" mentioned on the title page of a 1588 edition of the Nostradamus prophecies.

Obviously, this theory implies that the deep text can be decoded because it was already decoded by the Rosicrucians in the late 16th century. It also means that our contemporary decoders have a big advantage over what the Rosicrucians had when they started: we now know what some of the lines (marked by star tails in the deep text) have to say.

The evidence in support of my theory is, quite simply, the VMS marginalia. Virtually all it (including page numbers, quire numbers, zodiac months, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. writing, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. writing, stray markings, text star red coloring and text star tails) is used to establish links with the Nostradamus prophecies and/or provide clues on how to approach a fresh decoding of the deep text. For example, the page number 42 (which uniquely overwrites an original VMS drawing) provides both a decoding clue: the 42-letter name of God, and a link to Nostradamus: the complete edition of the prophecies contained nine groups of 100 stanzas and a short one with just 42 stanzas.

Instead of struggling with the Merkabah wheels on f57v, I'm thinking of laying it all out on separate lines of a spreadsheet, say, beginning at the 100th column, one line for one of the four lines of the Rosetta Stone glyphs, one line for the corresponding Rosetta Stone French, one line for a Spanish translation of the Rosetta Stone French, one line for a Latin translation of the Rosetta Stone French, three lines representing one of each of the three Latin alphabet versions of the 72-letter name of God, one line for the first line of the paragraph containing the Rosetta Stone glyphs (a tower glyph only found there may serve for alignment purposes), one line for the alphabet wheel containing 4 repeated sequences of 17 glyphs each, one line for replacing the preceding 17 glyphs with a Latin alphabet vocalization of 17 letters. See prior posts for details.

It is then only a matter of moving a line or lines to the right or left (as if moving around the circles) to see what lines up in any particular column. Keep in mind that the output might have to be read in a right to left direction. Lastly, one must consider the possibility of having to rearrange the order of the glyphs (or of the Latin output) by means of a rotating polygon, extracting every nth letter moving around the circle.

Sounds complicated but a computer program written in Visual Basic (excellent for manipulating spreadsheets) may be able to find something helpful (if any such thing exists) rather quickly.

(17-03-2019, 02:54 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....


Sounds complicated but a computer program written in Visual Basic (excellent for manipulating spreadsheets) may be able to find something helpful (if any such thing exists) rather quickly.

Complicated? I'm a software developer. It does not sound complicated.

And for the record, you are talking to someone who wrote one of the manuals for a certain software program with the initials VB for a certain large company that I'm contractually not allowed to name.

(17-03-2019, 05:17 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Complicated? I'm a software developer. It does not sound complicated.

And for the record, you are talking to someone who wrote one of the manuals for a certain software program with the initials VB for a certain large company that I'm contractually not allowed to name.

I studied a relevant spreadsheet manual back in the days when programming manuals for Office were still being physically printed, but I am now far removed from those days.

Within the coming week I will try to upload a compatible spreadsheet filled-in with the data I mentioned, using the EVA font for the glyphs, so that macro programmers can have a direct look at what we are trying to accomplish.

(17-03-2019, 05:17 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And for the record, you are talking to someone who wrote one of the manuals for a certain software program with the initials VB for a certain large company that I'm contractually not allowed to name.

To my dismay I discover that VBA, which I once used to work spreadsheet miracles, is no longer in common use. I guess it is now up to someone familiar with one of the modern languages, like python or java, to figure out how to mimic the turning of the wheels.

Wheel encryption apparently derives its initial inspiration from a mystic classic dating back to early medieval times (translation Kaplan):

Twenty-two Foundation Letters:
He placed them in a circle
like a wall with 231 Gates.
The circle oscillates back and forth.

A "gate" links two letters to each other. In the center of our Merkabah on f57v, we see four individuals each with his back turned to a VMS glyph and pointing to, presumably when a certain alignment of wheels is attained, the corresponding Latin letter on the opposite side. Unfortunately, a wheel of Latin letters is nowhere to be found in the VMS itself but the marginalia gives us ample reason to believe that we should use the published sequence of 72 Latin letters comprising the 72-letter name of God. If that is the case, I think we'll be able to break the code.

Note that I have found no evidence that the Rosicrucians were ever able to read the VMS pages written in Currier Language A and, to the contrary, there are indications that they couldn't. This leads me to suspect that Language A is either a) gibberish, or b) a reuse of the glyphs to represent talking points spoken in a language that was unknown to the Rosicrucians. I highly recommend that decoders, first and foremost, tackle the deep text pages all of which are written in Language B.

The differences between Curriers A and B are actually fairly minor.

(18-03-2019, 12:12 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The differences between Curriers A and B are actually fairly minor.

I view lang B as the older, encrypted text. lang A is largely the plant stuff which had to have come later, and it seems likely there would have been neither motive nor capacity to encrypt that. Does lang A have original sequences of glyphs or can most of it be a copying and joining together of segments of glyphs drawn from the lang B pages?

Another possibility is that the lang B pages include a lot of lang A text, that is, not all lines in the deep text section constitute an encoding of some language, being instead a direct writing in the same unknown language seen on the lang A pages, thereby accounting for similarities between lang A and lang B.

If the Rosicrucians were able to read the text that accompanied the plant drawings, I very much doubt that they would have thought that the VMS depicted exotic plants from the garden of King Solomon, nor would they have incurred the great expense of producing the massive investigation of plants called The Herball or Generall Historie of Plantes.

Morten, the way you talk about Curriers A and B gives the impression that you haven't actually looked into them to understand what the differences are.

It might be a good idea to learn something about them first before making assumptions and theories.

(18-03-2019, 12:44 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Morten, the way you talk about Curriers A and B gives the impression that you haven't actually looked into them to understand what the differences are.

It might be a good idea to learn something about them first before making assumptions and theories.

Agreed. I will make a more thorough investigation of Curriers A and B before continuing this discussion. As you know, my sources indicate that the VMS includes native American languages which, logically, would cover the plants and which in turn is largely composed in Currier A. This raises the question of whether or not Currier A is encoded in the same way as the Old World languages in the deep text section.

(18-03-2019, 12:12 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The differences between Curriers A and B are actually fairly minor.

JP, With regard to the frequency of use of a popular glyph in relation to the frequency of use of the other popular glyphs, there appears to be enormous differences between Herbal A and Herbal B as well as between either of those and what we find in the Deep Text section:



Though thematic content can possibly explain some of the differences between Herbal and Deep Text, it seems doubtful that this alone can explain discrepancies between Herbal A and Herbal B.

Tower glyphs EVA f and p appear in the first line of paragraphs throughout but are far more likely to be seen mid-paragraph in the Herbal sections than in the Deep Text section. This also could be significant because I suspect these glyphs serve as alignment markers for decoding purposes.

In brief, I find no reason to conclude that the entire VMS is uniformly encoded. Please explain why you think otherwise.