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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 362 online users. » 5 Member(s) | 353 Guest(s) Applebot, Bing, Google, Yandex, cvetkakocj@rogers.com, davidma, R. Sale, Ruby Novacna Latest Threads I've deciphered the Voyni... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Ruby Novacna 16 minutes ago » Replies: 32 » Views: 1,328 Switch System Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Bluetoes101 38 minutes ago » Replies: 28 » Views: 3,755 A Non-Linguistic Cadence-... Forum: News Last Post: Ebysslabs 5 hours ago » Replies: 2 » Views: 142 Need advice for testing o... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi 5 hours ago » Replies: 89 » Views: 3,014 [split] Aga Tentakulus' L... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Aga Tentakulus 10 hours ago » Replies: 30 » Views: 14,543 Pastebin claiming to deco... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: ReneZ Yesterday, 12:25 AM » Replies: 8 » Views: 262 Which plaintext languages... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi 06-07-2025, 01:39 PM » Replies: 48 » Views: 4,433 Discussion of "A possible... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi 05-07-2025, 10:06 PM » Replies: 245 » Views: 122,658 GPT Models Fail to Find L... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: srjskam 05-07-2025, 04:35 PM » Replies: 27 » Views: 1,105 Always impressive Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media Last Post: Aga Tentakulus 05-07-2025, 12:49 AM » Replies: 20 » Views: 5,649

Separate Character? Posted by: -JKP- - 29-05-2020, 04:35 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (16) I often wonder if this is a separate character OR if it reveals what was in the scribe's mind when it was written and is perhaps a mistake (a blunder):   Untitled-1.png (Size: 67.27 KB / Downloads: 161) The character on the right is not in the Basic EVA set, which means it is not in any of the transcripts created with Basic EVA. It is, nevertheless, more frequent than people might expect (occurs more often than the VMS "rare" characters). In Latin-character languages, this would be interpreted as the "cl" ligature (which is quite common). What it means in Voynichese, I don't know. It is, of course, not possible to do statistical comparisons between the 8 shape and the cl shape by using transcripts that don't record the distinction.   Folio start gallows Posted by: bunny - 28-05-2020, 05:03 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (5) Also posted on another discussion list. Considering almost all folios start with 1 of 4 gallows with the occasional o thrown in front how is that explainable in terms of natural language?  Do any manuscripts or books start with only a choice of 4 letters?  If not alphabet letters could they show which "code subset" to refer to. Could it be a 4  subset rotating code or even 4 completely different codes used?  Bunny   Bunny - The theory of everything Voynich Posted by: bunny - 27-05-2020, 05:50 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (11) I have been told this is probably the best sub-forum to present hypotheses which don't fit the traditional academic paper approach. Watch this space.  Coming soon.   A hypothesis that covers everything. Bunny [font=Times New Roman]"They roll us like we roll dice and count the numbers"[/font]   Image enhancement of the full voynich manuscript Posted by: Rikrik - 26-05-2020, 04:34 PM - Forum: News - Replies (2) Hi everyone, afew years ago i ran the smaller images made available from the university of yale through image enhancement software. To get a better view of whats going on. Some of the pages are not in order in large view. But hope it helps ?. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Cary Rapaport's Voynich art with porcelain and glass Posted by: Koen G - 26-05-2020, 04:04 PM - Forum: News - Replies (70) Some time ago I mentioned Cary's art in another thread. It looks like she is going to keep working on Voynich-themed pieces and updating her website, so here's a proper thread. "Cary Rapaport is a Boston, MA based artist currently working in porcelain sculpture, glass and a range of other media." On her You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., you can see the five VM pieces she finished so far, based on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .  I'm a big fan of her work, because on the one hand she is working with materials that require a lot of skill and practice to master, and she is constantly aiming to improve her techniques. And on the other hand, I like the way she translates her selected VM images into a 3D medium, taking enough liberties to create something new, but still keeping the spirit of the original. Currently she is posting updates about her work inspired by f48r: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . Even though it is not finished yet, you can already see the shape of the plant emerging. For this piece, she will also start experimenting with plasma art, which sounds pretty awesome: Quote:Beyond the process of “simply” flameworking the shape, I plan that these pieces are going to be filled with inert gases and connected to a high voltage power supply to give them a gas discharge glow, a process that comes with its own set of technical challenges.   Maps and merlons Posted by: R. Sale - 25-05-2020, 08:31 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (4) This text is also in the Duke of Burgundy library You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. See: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Listed as KBR MS 9404-5 Maps: I 346 - I 353 Swallow-tailed merlons on I 113, I 223 and four examples on I 281. Certainly appears to associate these merlons with Muslim 'fortifications'.   [split] VM color palette Posted by: -JKP- - 23-05-2020, 04:24 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (32) The VMS has a very limited palette. The pigments are: green (this has been mixed with varying amounts of amber or blue to create different shades of green, it's the one VMS color that is frequently mixed) brown (this appears to be the same mix as the gall ink but in some places looks like it might have been watered slightly to create a paler color) blue (one that appears difficult to work with and in places looks like it wasn't ground long enough to make it smooth). amber (this is a pale, washed-out color that was sometimes mixed with green) true red (this is used sparingly and was generally a more expensive and difficult pigment to obtain) white (a few places look like there might be white, perhaps white lead, and a few places where it might have been mixed with other colors, but it is very sparse and hard to see) There are numerous places with brick red (not quite a true red), and some true red. It's difficult to tell if the true red has been mixed with brown or if there is another more brownish-red (a less expensive pigment) that has been mixed with brown to create the brick-red. It would be difficult to determine this without pigment analysis. Red lead could be treated with nitric acid to produce a brick red, but you can't really tell this from digital scans. It needs to be studied directly from the manuscript. So... The predominant pigments are 1) brown (probably the same as the gall ink), 2) green, 3) either brick-red or brown mixed with true red, and 4) blue. The secondary pigments are 1) amber, 2) true red, and 3) white (very rare). This is not a broad palette. Many manuscripts have more colors available (and thus also more opportunities to mix colors). Colors that are conspicuously absent I haven't noticed any significant mixing of red with blue to create purple, or red with white to create pink. Natural pigments sometimes had unpleasant chemical reactions that resulted in muddy mixes. Sometimes they resisted mixing altogether. Modern paints are designed to mix readily and include a huge variety of pre-mixed colors, so it's hard to appreciate how difficult it was to work with medieval pigments (or how to combine them). True red was expensive, a bit of a luxury, just as true saffron for cooking was a luxury. Red lead was also used to create an orange shade that was very popular in the early medieval period (along with green), but I don't see it in the VMS.   External text lookup Posted by: Mark Knowles - 21-05-2020, 03:38 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (14) I was wondering if anyone had explored the idea that Voynichese words are a code for looking up other words from a different text such as the bible. I would guess this has been thought about. At this time it is not my opinion that this is the case, but I think it is an intriguing idea. It still leaves one with problems like repeated words amongst others. It also seems pretty impractical method to use. It also would make the Voynich nightmarishly difficult to decipher as you would not only have to identity the other text, but also how the individual word lookup code works. (I am still going with a verbose homophonic cipher with filler text, but I think other ideas can be worth exploring.)   f50r Posted by: Aga Tentakulus - 21-05-2020, 02:08 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (2)   f50r.png (Size: 1.16 MB / Downloads: 140) I have no idea what the plant is supposed to represent. But it is only supposed to show what I have already seen. Purely optical   Pizan's pool party Posted by: R. Sale - 20-05-2020, 10:14 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (15) In the investigations of the bathers in Quire 13, a number of illustrations have been considered. Among these is the image from Christine de Pizan's Book of the Queen - aka Harley 4431 f. 183. This shows Christine and the Sibyl dropping by to see the nine Muses bathing, with Pegasus flying by.  The Book of the Queen  is a compilation of several works and the illustration is from Le Livre du chemin de long estude. A second version of this text with a very similar illustration, tending more to pastels, can be found in BNF fr. 836 f5v. A third version of the text, BNF Fr. 1643, has no illustrations, only blank spaces apparently intended for illustrations. The recently availability from the Royal Library of Belgium of texts from the Library of the Dukes of Burgundy has a number of manuscripts by Christine de Pizan. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Among them are two versions of Le Livre du chemin de long estude.. MS 10982 and MS 10983. Both of these mss. have versions of the 'Muses & Pegasus'  illustration that differ from the above examples and from each other. See. KBR MS 10982 I 32  and KBR MS 10983 I 29 (link below - if it works) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. This last example has the strongest similarities with the VMs pool drawings.  This shows the presence of Parisian texts in the Burgundian library and the potential influence of the works of Christine de Pizan on the VMs illustrations. It is a second indicator that the VMs artist *may have had* access to the Burgundian library. (#1 is BNF Fr. 13096 f. 18; Apocalypse of S Jean  1313.) First Previous Next Last