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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 21 online users. » 2 Member(s) | 17 Guest(s) Bing, Google, Markus Latest Threads 6 page fold out and earth... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Linda 1 hour ago » Replies: 16 » Views: 1,001 Morten St George Theory Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Paris 1 hour ago » Replies: 419 » Views: 11,066 Those umbrella/pinecone t... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Linda 4 hours ago » Replies: 74 » Views: 7,090 The middle of f82r as dea... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Linda 6 hours ago » Replies: 51 » Views: 2,031 The Impossibility of Doub... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: -JKP- Yesterday, 08:58 AM » Replies: 88 » Views: 6,953 No text, but a visual cod... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: -JKP- 22-02-2019, 11:16 PM » Replies: 82 » Views: 3,930 Pond creatures (f79v) Forum: Imagery Last Post: Linda 21-02-2019, 02:42 PM » Replies: 61 » Views: 6,385 Second cloud band in VMs ... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Linda 12-02-2019, 09:16 AM » Replies: 3 » Views: 461 Direction of labels on ro... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Ruby Novacna 11-02-2019, 05:29 PM » Replies: 29 » Views: 1,231 Thomasin von Zirclaere, C... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Linda 09-02-2019, 03:25 AM » Replies: 21 » Views: 1,175

F79r as Mesopotamia Posted by: Linda - 06-02-2019, 10:39 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (6) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. shows the Euphrates and Tigris rivers, and explains how the silting of the Persian Gulf has caused the features that exist today. It also tells us there existed a river civilisation that has been lost to rising water levels. Rivers are shown as tubes. The wolkenbands are coming from a hole, the Euphrates arises. The blue tells me this is fresh water, mountain runoff and/or springs. The scalloped bits at the start of the river tells me the rivers cut through rock. There are hot springs involved, as indicated by the red band around the river tube.  Neotectonic map of Turkey shows the faults in the area of the rising of the Euphrates. Numerous hot springs are noted near the Armenia Turkey border. The Euphrates rises near Mount Ararat, a dormant volcano.  Next we see a mountain which is feeding both the Euphrates and various streams which eventually become the Tigris river, denoted by the new tube. The Tigris rises near the southern Taurus mountains. Note that true to life, it starts south of the Euphrates, to the eastern side of it, north is up on this page. There are then two tubes. That they are side by side and short is an obfuscation, Mesopotamia means land between the rivers, but then no land is drawn in the quire, it is only the water. The two then come together as one, which is the case in reality as well, the Shaṭṭ Al-ʿArab is a 200km silty river fed by both that flows into the Persian Gulf. The other parts are a deconstruction of northern part of the Persian Gulf as caused by the river silt. Note the curvy shaped bays and the double bump in the middle. Symmetrical curvey bays. They are upside down but the circles, or ports, are the parts attached to the gulf, so once you attach them in your mind to the top of the gulf, they will be correctly oriented. The greenishness of the water means it is brackish, caused by backflow currents of sea water into these areas.  The silt and the currents splitting off created the double bump that occurs where modern day Iran and Iraq meet at the top of the Persian Gulf. Deconstructing the process also obfuscates the diagram, it is not so much a direct visual than a string of visuals which must be reconstructed in one's thoughts in order to see the whole.  The tube in the gulf is showing ancient knowledge that the gulf was not always there in the configuration we now know (or knew in the 15th century), that the river continued southward, but rising water levels swallowed it up. Given that the oldest known civilizations started in this general area, such knowledge being retained would not be beyond the realm of possibility. It need only be between stage 3 and 4 that we are talking about, the Sumerians were there around the end of stage 4.  What do you think? Can you see what i see? It is more like reading the individual images as a story than looking at a picture, but it is all there.   Little Castles or Monasteries? Posted by: Alyx Black - 01-02-2019, 06:40 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (1) Someone I was chatting with was telling me their theory and transcription of the two piece foldout with the 9 circular areas.  They kinda had a farout concept for the diagram.  So I started to look at it and the little castle and then I happened to be looking at some churches and monasteries and came across this picture of the Monastery of St. Katherine.  I also started to think maybe this is a map of pilgrimage but I need to look into this idea further.  Also found one more pic related to S Katherine that looks like pilgrimage to the surrounding monastery or churches. Attached Files Thumbnail(s)               Women’s Anatomy Posted by: Alyx Black - 01-02-2019, 12:33 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (38) I know there was a thread covering this but I am going to bring it up again about the image that is of the Fallopian tubes.  I happen to be on a site that had this as just a snippet of the picture with no text and said hey that looks familiar. I showed to a friend that stopped by and they again said the same thing.  I am sure the VM was written by a woman or women, for herbs, medicines, perfumes, astrology, women’s health, spiritual health. Attached Files Thumbnail(s)           Leipzig University call for digitization Posted by: Koen G - 29-01-2019, 12:22 AM - Forum: News - Replies (5) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I just saw this news but have not yet been able to browse their catalogue to see if anything might be of interest. The University of Leipzig will digitize 100 of its medieval manuscripts based on researchers' requests. Quote:Thanks to renewed funding by the Digitization Program of Saxony the Leipzig University Library (UL) will continue in 2019 to systematically digitize its medieval manuscript holdings. Since a first Call for Digitization Requests in 2018 generated a high number of responses, the UBL invites researchers once more to suggest manuscripts for digitization. In 2019, the UL will increase the amount of digitization work devoted to academic needs, reserving up to a 100 manuscripts for requests by researchers. Should you therefore wish for a manuscript in the Library’s collection to be digitized free of charge, please send a brief statement of your proposal along with a description of your research project to handschriftenzentrum@ub.uni-leipzig.de no later than March 15, 2019. You can check at our digital collections whether the manuscript in which you are interested has already been digitized. The first 100 requests to be received will be selected for digitization, providing that they meet the usual conservation criteria. Once completed, the digitizations will be provided by way of the presentation page of the UL via the Mirador Viewer as well as through the portal Sachsen.Digital. In keeping with the UL’s Open Access-Policy, the digitizations will be made available in the public domain without restrictions regarding their use. We will let you know by April 30, 2019 whether your digitization request can be met. The UL Leipzig thanks you for your interest in our manuscript collection. If there are any manuscripts that could be useful for VM research, we might discuss and group them here and see how we could go about requesting them?   VMS - Language Families Casting Posted by: Gavin Güldenpfennig - 28-01-2019, 07:01 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (36) Dear VMS - fans, I´m new here, so I don´t know this forum enough to do everything right. If my thread was a theme before, then, please, show me the old thread, and I will immediately delete this one.  And sorry for my very bad English!   We, Germans, should not do this!  The Voynich Manuscript accompanies me since my school time (now: for nearly ten years). Back then I played a very little role in a detective series episode (Pater Castell: Das Voynich Manuskript). Since this time, I tried to find at least the language family the Voynich Manuscript belongs to. I´ve only studied German and History after my school, but I have written my final exam in a subject called "Language History". So I think, I can say, that I know how words changed over the years. But that isn´t enough to decode the VMS.  You have to know at least to which family or families of languages it could related to. I have a founded idea now for one VMS language family, which is based on some translation attempts of the VMS plants section, and a check by a "native speaker" of (one of) the last possible descendants of the possible language family. But before I can follow my theory of a double- (or: maybe triple-) language provenience of the manuscript, I have to check, if there are any problems with the central hypothesis. So I ask you for the following helps: 1. Are there any language families, which are completely impossible as VMS language and if yes, why? 2. Is it possible, that the VMS, as we know it today, could be a copy of an older book? 3. Are there any living or dead language families, which are "hot candidates" for the VMS language and if yes, why? 4. Could you imagine, that somebody from the "Old World" (Europe, Asia, Africa) would "encode" a manuscript, at the time around 1000 - 1500 AD, to hide discoveries in the "New World" (America)? 5. Is it absolutely clear, that Rudolf II. and Jacobus de Tepenece were the first owners of the manuscript or do we know more about the VMS owners today? To make it clear:  I have an idea, where the VMS could be from, but I´m not a native speaker of these languages. Furthermore I don´t have a full VMS decoding alphabet, but maybe enough letters to translate some pages, but only in the plant section. My system definitely doesn´t fit for all sections. If I´m right with my theory the plant language is dead today and the other one may lives, but I´m not really sure. If anybody wants to know which languages I suspect, he can write a personal message to me. I could write it here, too, but I don´t want to influence the discussion more than necessary.    Word Q13 and Q20 analysis. Posted by: Wladimir D - 25-01-2019, 06:57 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (15) I wrote a blog in Russian. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  I compared the distribution of words in Q13 and Q20 separately, if we take the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the upper part of the text You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as a base of comparison. For comparison, the distribution was taken when the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 1r was used as a base. Hyperlinks are very large. You must wait. The diagrams show the “amount of overlapping information” for each bifolio. The subtleties of reasoning I can not translate into English, so I publish here only preliminary conclusions. 1 / The text on each bifolio was written before stitching them into the book Q20. 2 / The text of Q13 is highly specialized (not narrative). 3 / The last paragraph 116r is an imitation of the epilogue. 4 / Language “B” is gibberish. * / 2-4 For the replacement character cipher   High-Resolution Image Downloads of 2004 Scan? Posted by: ChenZheChina - 25-01-2019, 05:22 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (12) Hi everyone. I tried to find downloads of 2004 Scan of high-resolution images of Voynich Manuscript, and found that the website of Beinecke Library now provides only 2014 Scan. As mentioned You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Jason Davies provides downloads of high-resolution images of 2004 Scan on their website, but they are in SID format. I tried to search on Google about how to open the format, and Google pointed me to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., which provides a 16-bit application that could run only on 16-bit/32-bit Windows, up to Windows XP. Since I’m running 64-bit version of Windows 10, it doesn’t work. So, finally, I had to write a small Python script to download tiles from Jason Davies’ website and another small Python script to merge them into whole images. To avoid possible loss, my script saves merged results in PNG format, so they are very, very large (about 9 GiB in total). I’d like to share the downloaded-and-merged images of 2004 Scan, but I wonder how? Is there anyone who could help me sharing the files by providing some online space? If it is impossible, converting them to high-quality JPEG files is also possible. It’s probably better to have JPEG files than SID files or nothing. Or, is there any suggestion on opening SID files?   Texts in Red Ink? Or any other non-Black Ink? Posted by: ChenZheChina - 11-01-2019, 09:23 AM - Forum: Physical material - Replies (4) I believe that this should have been discussed a lot, and many people have noticed this. But I could not find much information, so I started a thread to ask my questions. When I was checking f67r2 , I noticed that there are some texts in red. I suddenly realized that most texts were in black. The only red texts I could remember were the symbols on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and these red texts on f67r2 .     My questions are: Is there any other texts in red color? Is there any other non-black texts? What might they mean?   Why does the blue paint look like this? Posted by: Koen G - 10-01-2019, 08:39 PM - Forum: Physical material - Replies (7) In another thread, Marco referred to McCrone's report about the blue ink: I selected some blue surfaces from the large plants (first 20 or so folios). Each clip is from a different folio. As you see, there are a few ways in which the blue paint looks off. Sometimes there are dark spots, and often something yellowish shines through:     What are your thoughts about this? Has anyone researched paint preparation before? Is the blue-yellow a result of a suboptimal blend of different substances? Or is the yellow merely a result of a lighter blue wash with pen ink? Or are these the cuprite traces mentioned in the report? Or - and this is where we enter Voynich territory - does the blue mask a color that was previously applied? While compiling this, I notice the ugliest blue is often found near yellow surfaces. Similar things are found throughout the MS. Here's an example from the "white Aries" page. The top nymph has a light blue barrel where the wash seems mixed with yellow. The bottom one gets a relatively even blue, in quality not worse than the red of her dress.       Voynich buys some Jesuit manuscripts Posted by: ReneZ - 08-01-2019, 06:10 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (11) Voynich's acquisition of the Voynich MS, as part of a larger group of manuscripts, has always been surrounded by mystery, and it is something that has intrigued me for about 20 years now. It may not be the most popular topic in discussion groups like this, since it will not tell us anything about the meaning of the MS or the meaning of its text. The recent blog post of Rich (whose family name is actually given incorrectly in the Blogosphere), and especially the ensuing exchange of comments, made me realise how little is know about progress on this particular topic. The main problem is that Voynich has presented several different versions of the 'story of his discovery'. Quite in general, he is someone whose words have to be treated with extreme care, as he had a strong tendency to exaggerate, to the point of inventing stories that never happened. However, over the years I have been able to collect a growing body of independent evidence related to this acquisition, and to the time preceding it. In particular, a document preserved in the Vatican archives, which I first saw in May 2015, could clarify most of the mystery. This document, preserved as Arch.Bibl.109 is a photographic copy of an original that seems to be lost. It is dated 1903, and it presents a list of manuscripts offered for sale to the Vatican, by the society of Jesus. Most of these manuscripts were finally incorporated in the Vatican library in 1912, and they are included in a catalogue by Jose Ruysschaert published in 1959. He remarks that some manuscripts that should have been included in this sale are actually missing. He makes a list of them (in footnote in the 1959 catalogue) and indicates that they all seem to have been acquired by W. Voynich. Indeed, the 1903 catalogue includes essentially all these manuscripts that Voynich acquired. This means that: These manuscripts were never lost. The Jesuits were simply keeping them in hiding, until the time they decided to sell them Voynich did not discover them, like he always claimed. Instead, he was invited to buy a number of them, under promise of secrecy. The letter by Ethel Voynich, to be opened after her death, appears to be accurate in all details. So at least Voynich seems to have told *her* the truth. For anyone interested in all details, please feel invited to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . (But it's not a short read). Next Last