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Posted by: MarcoP - 19-10-2020, 09:25 AM - Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media
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A friend who shares my enthusiasm for classical SF and knows of my interest for the VMS sent me a link to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., a recent short story by Harry Turtledove.
If you like the genre and you don't expect plausibility and 100% accuracy, it is very enjoyable.
Dr. Feyrouz Hanafusa is a curator at Yale in the 23rd century. Space exploration is still ongoing, and signs of life have been discovered on a planet near TRAPPIST-1. Signs, Dr. Hanafusa realizes, that suspiciously resemble drawings in the Voynich manuscript, which no one has been able to decipher for over eight hundred years.
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| Old Polish (geoffreycaveney's theory) |
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Posted by: geoffreycaveney - 13-10-2020, 02:20 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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In the course of my research on West Slavic languages in the medieval period, I have come across interesting descriptions of the early orthography of Old Polish in the medieval period. A short summary can be found You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
The point is that medieval Old Polish spelling appears to have been highly inconsistent and ambiguous:
"c" could represent the phonemes now written as "k", "c", "ć", "cz", or "dz"
"z" could represent the phonemes now written as "z", "ż", "ź", "s", or "ś"
"s" could represent the phonemes now written as "s", "ś", "sz", "z", or "ż"
Thus they wrote "Zeraz" to mean "Sieradz", "faly" to mean "chwali", "rech" to mean "rzecz", and "vmoch" to mean "w moc", to cite just a few examples of medieval Old Polish spelling practices.
The table below gives many more examples of both the spelling letter values and numerous words as written with these spelling practices.
It would be interesting to analyze the entropy and conditional entropy statistics of such documents as the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that were written with these medieval Old Polish spelling practices.
Geoffrey
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| VadSlg Ms. 391 |
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Posted by: Anton - 10-10-2020, 01:06 AM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography
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One more interesting manuscript recently digitized, with many charts.
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Note the swapped T-O map in 2r.
Note also the chart in 20r where almost every label starts with "p" (I presume, the abbreviation for "per"), which somewhat reinforces my idea of Voynich label prefixes as operators.
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| Herbier de Moudon (Lausanne IS 3005) |
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Posted by: Anton - 10-10-2020, 12:42 AM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography
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This You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in French language attracted my attention, because it features plant descriptions in what appears to be a highly structured way, with many paragraphs starting in the same fashion with "pom" (?) or the "p a" (?) abbreviation.
Maybe it deserves a closer look.
All literature on this MS that I was able to find in Google search is in French, which is a language I did not master.
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| removing second "rhyming" vords from ms text to find meaning? |
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Posted by: geoffreycaveney - 09-10-2020, 03:05 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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As I was working on some difficult issues in my own efforts to interpret a passage of the Voynich ms text according to my own hypothesis, an idea has occurred to me:
The seemingly nonsensical repetition of very similar looking vords is a well-known feature of the ms text. Well, what if we treated the second and following vords of any apparent "rhyming" vord sequence as nonsensical, and only assigned meaning to the first vord in any such sequence?
By "rhyming" I mean that in a sequence of consecutive vords, each vord ends with the same two glyphs. For example a couple of such sequences that I came across include [dal shal] and [char sar].
I wonder what the statistical analysis of the Voynich ms text would look like, if we simply removed the second and following vords of all such sequences?
Rhyming a meaningful word with a following nonsense word/syllable is a rather common feature of nursery rhymes and similar material. In English for example, such phrases abound: In the phrase "holy moly", the first word has meaning, and the second word is a nonsensical rhyming word.
It is possible that further refinements of this idea may be necessary: For example, the first line of f75r [kchedy kary] [okeey qokar shy kchedy qotar shedy] has multiple "rhyming" vords and phrases, but not any two of them consecutively. But for an initial investigation, the simple method of removing rhyming vords in consecutive sequences should be a good start, and the rule is clear and explicit for the purpose of statistical analysis.
Geoffrey
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| Battle of Agincourt Zodiac mirrors f67r2 October 25, 1415 |
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Posted by: Voynichgibberish - 09-10-2020, 05:05 AM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy
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Towards the pursuit of finding meaning with the Voynich Manuscript as we are all here for. Lately I have gone over the possibility regarding how the Voynich was copied from an original Latin work, perhaps from a traveling doctor. The Doctor sought to conceal the VMS with meaningless text, however he held on to a separate list like a dictionary.
I brain stormed for a few days thinking about provenance, Author type, geography and where in the VMS I could possibly find a possible clue. Folio 67r2 does look like a Zodiac, so I thought would it be about an a big event or for a persons horoscope. Since f67r2 was surrounded by waning 3/4 moons I figured it was for a big event. The planets match up very well with the Zodiac presentation I provided. Also, if one studies the Voynich you will know that in the horoscope series, it starts with Pisces with f70v1 and ends with Sagittarius as f73v! For reasons I don't understand Sagittarius leans in the 1st house of the Zodiac and I think You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. it might have a connection to f67r2. Anyway I determined that by the waning 3/4 moons and by the planets alignments to the inner circle words which might be planets for f67r2 that this represented The Battle of Agincourt on October 25, 1415 and I speculate a Doctor drew this up at 8 am three hours before the battle sprung into action.
To further my investigation I will need access if anyone has 15th century Zodiac type horoscopes in Latin, I need to compile a Zipf list of anywhere from 1000 to 10,000 words to try and compare it to f67r2 to try and see I can fetter out any translation from what I call VMS gibberish.
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Code: Year New Moon First Quarter Full Moon Last Quarter
1415 Jan 3 05:44
Jan 11 06:37 Jan 18 07:57 Jan 25 06:36 Feb 2 03:16
Feb 9 20:40 Feb 16 15:24 Feb 23 21:13 Mar 3 23:39
Mar 11 07:46 Mar 17 23:11 Mar 25 12:36 Apr 2 17:05
Apr 9 16:34 Apr 16 08:03 Apr 24 04:25 May 2 06:38
May 9 00:03 May 15 18:35 May 23 20:10 May 31 16:28
Jun 7 07:12 T Jun 14 07:13 Jun 22 11:07 p Jun 29 23:27
Jul 6 14:52 Jul 13 22:17 Jul 22 00:39 Jul 29 04:54
Aug 4 23:53 Aug 12 15:41 Aug 20 12:38 Aug 27 10:13
Sep 3 11:05 Sep 11 10:40 Sep 18 23:28 Sep 25 16:40
Oct 3 01:11 Oct 11 05:49 Oct 18 09:52 Oct 25 01:24
Nov 1 18:24 Nov 9 23:33 Nov 16 20:28 Nov 23 13:13
Dec 1 13:53 A Dec 9 14:43 Dec 16 07:25 n Dec 23 04:30
Dec 31 09:43
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