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Reconstructing Quire 15: Research Project |
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Posted by: ProbablyGhostly - 06-05-2025, 03:21 PM - Forum: Physical material
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Hello! I'm not quite sure if this is the right place (please please direct me if it isn't) but I wanted to share an insane research project I FINALLY completed!
I'm an undergraduate (senior year!) student in Richmond, Virginia and just completed a WILD independent study project in which we literally just Made quire 15 (pages 87-90) of the Voynich manuscript!
Since things are horribly expensive, sadly we were using goatskin instead of vellum but otherwise we followed things as closely as historically possible! This included sketching with leadpoint, making iron gall inks and paints following actual 15th century recipes (including handmaking verdigris!), doing all the writing and drawings with hand-cut quills, the whole nine yards!
It's an undergraduate project with zero funding so we could did one section but the goal is to make this as far as a masters project and even try to get approval to see the real thing! The project is focused on the idea of what historical reconstruction can tell you about a physical object
I've been working on this since January so I can Talk For So Long about it, so let me know if yall want to hear any more! Questions, comments, anything is welcome! 
Since this website sufficiently seems to hate me and my photos, instead of attaching photos straight to this post, I've decided to just link to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.!
(if you steal my photos, i WILL start crying and you will have that on your conscience forever)
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| Half Sword ( medieval combat game ) |
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Posted by: bi3mw - 04-05-2025, 04:28 PM - Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media
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This game seems to be quite brutal but also quite entertaining.
Game Description ( from the developers ):
Quote:Half Sword is an immersive, physically simulated medieval combat game that offers players a unique experience of becoming a commoner-turned-knight, fighting brutal tournaments in 15th-century Europe. With its innovative gameplay mechanic, players can use their mouse to control their swords, allowing them to feel the intensity of each battle as they rise through the ranks and face off against formidable opponents.
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At the top right of the page are the links to Steam and YouTube. There are now also some Let`s Play on Youtube.
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| lyrics and music? |
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Posted by: extent_of_foxes - 03-05-2025, 11:58 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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If you write out the words and melody of a song, breaking the lyrics into syllables, the resulting "words" have unusual structure. A simple example to explain what I mean:
twink1 le1 twink5 le5 lit6 tle6 star5long how4 I4 won3 der3 what2 you2 are1long
The numbers are the degrees of the scale, which is not, I believe, how medieval music theory worked, but this is just an illustration. Another example:
ut1 que2 ant4 la23 xis2long re2 so2 na1 re2 fi3long bris3long mi35 ra3 ge2 sto31 rum2long
For this latter example, I used a real historical song in Latin (albeit one significantly earlier than the Voynich MS), which contains more melismas (syllables extended over multiple notes).
I arranged the consonants in a way that seems more natural to me as an amateur singer: in the places where they are pronounced. So, fi-bris, not fib-ris. This could cause syllables to have more internal structure. A language might normally allow many consonants at the end of syllables, but in this writing method, most final consonants are only allowed to stay in that position when there is no following syllable to attach them to instead.
Music notation has items which appear at the beginning of sections and rarely elsewhere: clefs, section names, part indications in polyphonic music. Also, there is a symbol that appears at the end of lines in some historical notation, the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., which even vaguely resembles the EVA "m".
I believe that melodic markings on text are historically known, such as You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. mentions that there have been attempts at a musical interpretation - can you point me towards any further information?
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| We need a list of useful Voynich research |
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Posted by: Koen G - 02-05-2025, 02:04 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I've been thinking about it for a while, and it feels more and more appropriate that we, as a community of Voynich researchers, collect and maintain a list of links to useful Voynich research, articles, resources etc. This would address a whole range of problems:
1) I keep hearing from people (e.g. commenters on my videos) that they would like to read more, but find the field overwhelming. Like it or not, but there's a lot of theorist drivel among Voynich writings, and newcomers lack the context to judge these. Keep in mind that Cheshire was published in a peer reviewed journal, and outlets like academia.edu further muddy the waters.
2) It has happened more times than I dare to admit that I've been looking into a topic, only to find out much later that Nick Pelling already wrote about it when I was still in high school. Yes, I know, google is your friend, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for more convenience for all. Some of the actual good research is genuinely hard to find. Tucked away in some blog post or an ancient, dilapidated website... For example, I know that Julian Bunn wrote some good things about statistics, but I don't remember what exactly. If I had an overview with links and a very brief description of the contents, I would probably make more use of these
How to proceed?
I am willing to maintain the list in the curated threads section, but it would have to be a group effort. I propose that if you have published something that should be on the list, you start by submitting your own research. A link and one or two lines of explanation. You know the best what you have written, so you're the one who's best placed to add your stuff.
The bulk of the list will of course be things written by people who aren't active here, which we can add gradually, whenever you think of it or come across it.
We will need a way to decide what should and should not be on the list, without fights emerging. A list we maintain implies that we believe the research is good, or at least worth reading for someone interested in the topic at hand. How do we determine this?
A first filter should be: no text solutions. We have separate list for those.
But what if someone submits something that's not a solution, but still so bad and flawed that I cannot in good conscience encourage people to read it? I would really see this activity as a service to researchers and newcomers alike, to help people see the forest through the trees. Part of that service is us using our experience to select the pieces of research that are most useful or informative about various categories.
There has to be some curating involved. How can we do this? I'd like to have some system figured out before we start.
So I'd like to hear your ideas, and if there are enough people interested in this to make it work.
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| LJS 51 Collection of alphabets and encoded correspondence |
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Posted by: Bluetoes101 - 01-05-2025, 11:34 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I'm not sure if this has been posted here before (can't find if so).
Some info below, if you would like anything further it will (hopefully) be contained within the links.
Collection of encrypted correspondence - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Lawrence J. Schoenberg Collection - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Summary
Collection of encrypted correspondence between the compiler and various correspondents, in approximately 150 alphabets, accompanied by transcriptions of the letters in Arabic. The compiler cites Shihāb al-Dīn al-Jindī al-ʻAlāʼī, Burhān al-Dīn al-Qudsī, and Taqī al-Dīn Muḥammad ibn Jaʻfar al-Ḥusaynī as authorities for some of the alphabets. The manuscript is incomplete, lacking its beginning and end. Occasional marginal notes. Some worm damage in margins.
Publisher
University of Pennsylvania
Language
Arabic
Origin
Possibly written in Syria, in the 15th century.
Script
Written in naskh script.
LJS 51
About the Lawrence J. Schoenberg Collection - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
In 2011, University of Pennsylvania Libraries Board members Barbara Brizdle Schoenberg and Lawrence J. Schoenberg donated their manuscript collection of nearly 300 manuscripts and documents to the Penn Libraries, half of which are from medieval and Renaissance Europe. With its emphasis on the history of science and the transmission of knowledge across time and geography, the Schoenberg Collection brings together many of the great scientific and philosophical traditions of the ancient and medieval worlds. Documenting the extraordinary achievements of scholars, philosophers, and scientists active in pre-modern Europe, Africa, and Asia, the collection illuminates the foundations of our shared intellectual heritage.
Here are some glyph comparisons which I find interesting to one extent or another, I like EVA: "t" and "qo" most.
I have left out "extended EVA" and other odd glyphs other than the first page weirdo, there's probably more good comparisons others can find.
I went to around 38v, plus some near the end. There's a lot of pages in between.
![[Image: gly.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/mrm6RQ1Q/gly.jpg)
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