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• Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source.

• RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source.

  Bluetoes101 > 9 hours ago

  Another (apparently) common thing in the medieval period Rafal (I don't have the link to person claiming this, but it seems sensible enough..) was writing charms against theft in the final page of books.

• RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source.

  ReneZ > 9 hours ago

  Just to stay with the basics for a moment.
  I think there still are the two possibilities: (1) that pox literally means 'of a male goat' or (2) that it is part of a minced oath.
  For the latter, the text you found gives a significantly earlier source for this usage, and quite close to the date of the Voynich MS, which is certainly interesting.
  
  Given that this thread is about the usage as a minced oath, I will not delve into the alternative possibility. Just a minor point, which you probably already know...
  
  The 'Festnachtspiele' , which also include examples of poxleber, predate Hans Sachs, and were written o.a. by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., one or two decades before 1500.

• RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source.

  JoJo_Jost > 3 hours ago

  (9 hours ago)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think there still are the two possibilities: (1) that pox literally means 'of a male goat' or (2) that it is part of a minced oath.

  
  After sleeping on it for a night, I definitely agree with Rene. There is now one more variant that has been confirmed by a source. We don't know whether it really refers to an edible pox liver or a curse/oath, etc. And the real problem is that there are possible readings of the following two words for both variants.
  
  Based on my own completely unqualified attempts at translation, I believe that the second part is a mocking speech about the writer's “superior,” so in this context, I currently consider it more likely that a real liver is meant.
  
  The source was also still available: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

• RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source.

  Jorge_Stolfi > 18 minutes ago

  (9 hours ago)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If this writing turns out to be "Voynichese"

  
  To be clear, I don't think that it is Voynichese, but that it was Voynichese.
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: Everything about "pox leber" as a minced oath, and an earlier source.

  Koen G > 6 minutes ago

  (9 hours ago)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The 'Festnachtspiele' , which also include examples of poxleber, predate Hans Sachs, and were written o.a. by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., one or two decades before 1500.

  
  Rene, do you have a link to this earlier attestation? I only find it mentioned indirectly.
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