pfeaster > 28-09-2024, 03:53 PM
Koen G > 28-09-2024, 04:07 PM
(28-09-2024, 03:53 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To me, this suggests that the text and drawings on each of these pages were likely created during the same session, with the same faulty pen. I haven't tried to study this type of correspondence methodically, but a quick perusal seems to support a hypothesis that the pictures and text on any given page tend to share the same overall pen-and-ink profile (including "mixed" profiles, as on f73v). I wonder if there are any really obvious exceptions.
Another page with noticeable line-doubling in both the Voynichese text and the drawing is f17r. Notably, the marginalia at the top also features line-doubling, most obviously in the top of the [a] in [malhor].
oshfdk > 28-09-2024, 04:30 PM
(28-09-2024, 03:53 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To me, this suggests that the text and drawings on each of these pages were likely created during the same session, with the same faulty pen. I haven't tried to study this type of correspondence methodically, but a quick perusal seems to support a hypothesis that the pictures and text on any given page tend to share the same overall pen-and-ink profile (including "mixed" profiles, as on f73v). I wonder if there are any really obvious exceptions.
Another page with noticeable line-doubling in both the Voynichese text and the drawing is f17r. Notably, the marginalia at the top also features line-doubling, most obviously in the top of the [a] in [malhor].
pfeaster > 28-09-2024, 05:48 PM
(28-09-2024, 04:30 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm trying to see the doubling on f17r, couldn't find anything in the main text. Could you help me by pointing at some specific locations on the page? There is one 'o' with doubling at the top, but this could be just the start and the end of the stroke overlapping. The only place where I see the doubling clearly is the top of the central flower, and even there I'm not sure whether this looks like a defect of the pen or just a double stroke, since both lines have a very clean edge.
Quote:Curiously, there is also a little bit of empty space in 7 in the folio number, but this is probably unrelated.
Quote:Update: I've cropped the start of the top margin inscription from UV_007 TIFF from the MSI set, there is no processing here other than cropping and conversion from 16 bit to 8 bit. To me this shape variation in 'a' looks more like a correction than a pen defect, but I'm not an expert in quill writing.
Koen G > 28-09-2024, 10:10 PM
Bernd > 28-09-2024, 11:49 PM
oshfdk > 29-09-2024, 06:17 AM
(28-09-2024, 05:48 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What I'm picturing is a split tip that separated progressively into two halves as more pressure was applied to it. I'm also making some assumptions about the strokes used to form each glyph -- i.e., [o] typically seems to have been drawn as two strokes (an [e] plus a second oppositely curved stroke), and not as a single circular motion with an overlap. Higher-resolution images could help disambiguate -- based on the best images I have, I'll concede that the doubled line of the [r] in [dor] could conceivably be a "retrace," although I don't think [r] was ordinarily written that way. The processed MSI images don't clarify this. The raw TIFFs might.
pfeaster > 29-09-2024, 04:56 PM
(29-09-2024, 06:17 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've cropped a few locations from UB007 MSI (gamma 1.0, black point at 50% since most of the pen strokes are almost white) and from 2014 visible light scans, TIFF versions, trying to keep the scale. To me it looks like the empty space in the downward flourishes of 'y' and 'm' probably has something to do with the tip of the pen, as you wrote. I'm not sure about 'o', to me it looks like this could be either way (stroke overlap or split tip). I'd say 'r' looks more like a retrace. In the tip of the flower both lines are very sharp and clean, to me this looks more like two separate pen strokes, but this is just my intuition that a split tip trace should look a bit messy with no clear point of departure and convergence between two lines, and not symmetrical on both sides as it is in this case.
oshfdk > 29-09-2024, 05:44 PM
oshfdk > 29-09-2024, 06:31 PM