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[split] Half-spaces |
Posted by: -JKP- - 08-10-2019, 03:50 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Searcher, there is something else going on in the VMS that is somewhat under-studied and which may have something to do with related tokens...
There are half-spaces, and the half-spaces are frequently in places where two common tokens are adjacent.
The problem with the various transcripts is that some ignore the half-spaces and some treat them as full spaces (mostly they are ignored but because of where they fall, I don't think they should be ignored because they occur in regular patterns).
I had mentioned half-spaces some time ago. I have one transcript that tries to document the half-spaces (I had to create three transcripts before I felt really confident about being able to see them correctly). I haven't seen René's transcript, but he has mentioned half-spaces since then, so it might be reflected in his transcript, but you would have to ask him.
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Voynichese a Morse Code Cipher? (new book) |
Posted by: Gavin Güldenpfennig - 02-10-2019, 08:32 AM - Forum: News
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Dear Voynich researchers,
the author of this book asked me to share his theory about the manuscript with you.
I don't really know, what I should think about it. For me it seems to be very unlikely, that the VMS is written in a Morse Code Cipher.
What do you think?
Mod note :no advertising or commercial endorsement on site. The book's name is Voynich Morse Code Steganography Cipher by Tom O'Neil. On sale via self publishment on amazon.
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Another interesting blog post by Peter Kidd |
Posted by: ReneZ - 02-10-2019, 07:35 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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In this blog post:
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there are two interesting questions / suggestions.
The first is a potential inspiration from the Voynich MS, about two thirds down the page.
Could it be something else?
Finally, an open question at the very end, which someone here might have an idea about.
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9 Rosette - Specific Details |
Posted by: Mark Knowles - 01-10-2019, 07:32 PM - Forum: Imagery
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One thing that has slightly annoyed me is the lack of attention or failure to observe many of the specific and deliberate details on the page.
One particular example is the numerous buildings. If one looks carefully one can notice that even many of the very small buildings are drawn in very specific and deliberate ways. Now it might be argued these buildings do not correspond to any specific geographical locations and even if that is the case I think it worth asking why the drawings of these buildings are so specific and not generic. Are the drawings of the buildings influenced by or copied from buildings that the author was familiar with or were they made up purely out of the author's imagination and why did the author not believe that general drawings of buildings would suffice. I should add that these specifics become very clear when one looks at the scan of the page, though zooming in on the drawings certainly can help to make the details particularly clear.
I would argue that not only is this page the largest page it is also the most detailed, though one often needs to look carefully to spot the specifics, something I think very few people do. There are certainly parts of the page that lack detail, such as the top left rosette, but there are also other parts that are rich in specific detail. I think when one notices the specific details it is worth asking why the author chose to draw this or that think one way when it would have been easier to draw it another way. Also I think one should ask whether it is more likely that those very specific details were drawn from pure imagination or memory or possibly a mixture of both.
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Arcades Cornices |
Posted by: Mark Knowles - 01-10-2019, 04:07 PM - Forum: Imagery
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There is a drawing of a building on the causeway from the top-right rosette to the top centre rosette. Now to me that looks very much like the kind of pretty flat roofed campanile(church bell tower) that we find prevalent in South Eastern France and Northern Italy.
To me there is a feature of this drawing that I particularly associate with campanile. This is arcaded cornices. Now arcades cornices are a series of semicircular architectural features that we see particularly at the tops of many campanile. It is noteworthy that the author of the Voynich made a deliberate decision to draw these curly semicircular features at the top of the building in question, this is not the natural or normal thing to do, it requires a deliberate decision to represent the building in that way.
To me, like the swallow tail battlements, these arcades cornices again tie the Voynich to Northern Italy or possibly South Eastern France.
Now I don't know the history or origin of the use of arcades cornices and whether they have a specific meaning in the way that swallow-tailed battlements do. I don't know how their usage dispersed geographically over time. However I do know that they were definitely in use in the early 15th century in Lombardy. If anyone else has any knowledge of arcades cornices or where to find more information of this kind that would be interesting.
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A Rose or Wheel Window |
Posted by: Mark Knowles - 30-09-2019, 09:38 PM - Forum: Imagery
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As those who have followed closely what I have written publicly about the 9 Rosette Page, which is probably not many people, I have suggested that the Centre Left Rosette shows what is normally termed a Rose Window, although more specifically a type of Rose Window called a wheel window, for obvious reasons.
Now I have suggested this represents the Rose Window of Geneva Cathedral (St. Pierre). However whether one accepts that specific identification or not thinking about it again I feel the case that we have a drawing of a wheel window is really quite strong. Apart from the obvious layout of the rosette, I think an important detail is the way the point of connection(node) on the outer end of the spoke and the outer loops of the petals is drawn. This is drawn in quite a specific and deliberate way, which closely resembles what we see with the outside of many wheel windows and that is not the natural way that one would otherwise draw that connection, so I would argue this architectural parallel is significant.(I don't know what the technical name for this connection is, if it has one; if anyone know please enlighten me)
At the centre of the Rosette we see what, from what is visible from the scan of the page, looks to me more like a deflated balloon than anything else; now clearly that is not my identification, as to what it is, and that would be indicative of a much too early technological breakthrough. In my analysis I have associated it, to the best of my ability, with the bulbous dome of the St. Pierre cathedral. So I don't view that centre illustration to be part of the Rose Window as such, nevertheless the parallel with a wheel window seems strong to me and better than any other explanation that I am aware of that explains the specific details of this rosette.
I thought I would reintroduce that idea as have not mentioned it to the best of my knowledge in this forum and my mind has recently returned to it.
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