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[Trinity] Plant identification in Trinity College MS O.2.48 Apuleii Herbarium Posted by: Koen G - 27-04-2017, 08:19 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (83) Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the tree on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is? I've gotten used to the script a bit and I think I can make out; The name of the tree is "Quibanos". The tree grows in "anglica"  - - then there's a bunch of abbreviations I don't understand yet - -  and then, I guess: the tree was brought into the island by sea from Ethiopia (??) By the way, there is something special about reading an abbreviated text like this. I don't really read the letters but rather at a glance I recognize the "shape" of an abbreviation. Like it doesn't really matter whether they drop one letter more or less. The abbreviations are almost like markers for the plant's name, for where it's from... And the paragraph markers are also really handy for seeing immediately where a section starts about a new plant. I'm starting o get a better feel for certain gallow hypotheses that have been proposed before.   [Trinity] Parallels between Voynich and Trinity College MS O.2.48 Posted by: Koen G - 26-04-2017, 04:11 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (28) Also, on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there are these plants. The one on top has a few things in common with VM You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . And the one in the bottom, is that some kind of oak-ivy thing going on there?   Untitled-3.jpg (Size: 52.55 KB / Downloads: 367)   [Trinity] General discussion of Trinity College MS O.2.48 Apuleii Herbarium Posted by: MarcoP - 26-04-2017, 03:19 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (77) Rene Zandbergen has just posted about this ms in another thread. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. According to the description, the ms was written in Germany in the second half of the 14th Century.  The ms has several interesting aspects. For instance: the colors are particularly varied (usually, not much nature-like) several scenes represent castles with swallowtail merlons (are these common in German manuscripts?) many plants feature zoomorphic or anthropomorphic elements (more than in other copies of Pseudo-Apuleius, I think) some of the roots seem comparable with the hollow or "flat-top" roots in the VMS Browsing through this is a real pleasure! Many thanks to Rene Attached Files   Trinity.jpg (Size: 146.66 KB / Downloads: 551)   Comparison with BL ms Ashmole 399 Posted by: MarcoP - 23-04-2017, 12:18 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (29) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a medical miscellany written in England at the end of the 13th century. Several images can be paralleled with Voynich illustrations, in particular in the so-called “balneological” section. A few examples: General page layout (K) Patients being cured (B,C) Internal organs represented as tubes (images I, J, K) Naked people inside containers – actually fetuses in the womb (images G, L) A complex, unfinished, astrological diagram (img H) I don't believe the balneo "nymphs" can be fetuses, but the possibility that the section is about procreation has been put forward several times. I think there could be a connection, even if not an identity. Second attachment. Attached Files   1.jpg (Size: 434.43 KB / Downloads: 285)   two.jpg (Size: 483.38 KB / Downloads: 285)   The bottom margin Posted by: Anton - 22-04-2017, 11:57 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (21) It occurred to me that there is something strange with the bottom margin in the VMS. Imagery can be as close to the bottom edge of a folio as possible. But this is not the case with the text. In contrast to imagery, in the overwhelming majority of folios the bottom margin is quite notable - the text abrupts well before the edge is near. One could argue that this was done to preserve the text from the potential wear of the folios' edges. But this is not the case with the top margin. There are many folios where the text is very close to the upper edge of the folio. But I found only one folio - that is f99r, - where the text comes reasonably close to the bottom edge. (Folio 86 may be also mentioned, but here it is the upper side of the text block that faces the bottom edge of the folio - since the text is reversed upside down.) So, no matter what's the section, no matter whether there are images or the page is text-only, the text does not reach the bottom edge. The question is: why?   Statistical regularity of European languages and Voynich Manuscript analysis Posted by: Anton - 19-04-2017, 10:03 PM - Forum: News - Replies (15) This is a recent (2016) article in the "pre-print" status, available here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The text is in Russian. Abstract (original orthography & grammar are preserved): Quote:The statistical properties of letters frequencies in European literature texts are investigated. The determination of logarithmic dependence of letters sequence for one-language and two-language texts are examined. The pare of languages is suggested for Voynich Manuscript. The internal structure of Manuscript is considered. The spectral portraits of two-letters distribution are constructed. Authored by nine (!) authors, some of them from the Keldysh Applied Maths Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Unfortunately, this seems to be yet another example of not so convincing intrusion of academics into the field of Voynich. After I read, in the Introduction, that the VMS is dated to XVI century, I lost half of my wish to read further; after I read, two paragraphs later, that they contrapose "EVA" and "Takahashi" transcriptions, I lost the other half. The non-Russian sources cited are the catalog record and materials analysis @ Beinecke, Pelling's book, paper by Landini and Zandbergen, Levitov's solution, and Takahashi's transcription. Judging by conclusion, the authors claim that the VMS is written in mixed language - 60% in English or German, and 40% in Italian, Spanish or Latin, all this with vowels omitted. One day I may read this paper in full, but sorry - not now.   Could o_t_o_l indicate the VMS is BS Posted by: coded - 18-04-2017, 09:03 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (2) O_t_o_l is telling us something that’s hard for the camp of the voynichese people who believe the VMS text is meaningful.  The other option is that labels are not labels which I think is incorrect.  I think the Author made mistakes in trying to make a gibberish text meaningful when introducing labels.  The four o_t_o_l labels I submit here simply cannot convey the same meaning unless some other system is in place where o_t_o_l can have several meanings.  Yet a word usually translates to a 1-1 meaning.  There are 85 instances of o_t_o_l in the VMS, but to have it relate to a star, plant, fire and pipes makes a strong case for mischief with what the Author intended.   I have offered up an option for this were a different system could relate vords to different vords through numbers, but this cipher cannot be replicated by different people.   Improper or incorrect credits Posted by: ReneZ - 18-04-2017, 07:56 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (18) This is not my favourite topic, and I only start a new thread because I don't want to be off-topic in another one. Only just a few days ago I wrote in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  : Quote:It's a real pity that this spectre of 'who said what first' is haunting so many discussions. It is obviously to be expected that if many dozens of people are looking at the same thing, many people will come to the same conclusions completely independently. and various related statements. In an interesting blog post by Koen about the  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , he is unfortunately misled by a particularly bad example of this, when he writes in footnote [2] about who probably first noted the oak and ivy comparison with the Manfredus MS. The source for that appears to be You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , which further refers to a comment at Stephen Bax' blog. The trouble is that there is no information about 'who was first'. The selection of Edith Sherwood is arbitrary. It is also the only one of the three (Edith, JKP and myself, who all noted this independently from each other) that is definitely not the right answer.  For those who care about this topic, the comments on Stephen Bax' blog ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ) are quite clear, I think. If one wants to credit someone, one has to get it right. Not knowing something may be unsatisfactory, but this might just reflect reality. In this situation it is not acceptable to make things up, because people will be misled in believing it, as happened in the case of Koen's blog post.   Herbarius Maguntie Impressus Posted by: Davidsch - 15-04-2017, 09:12 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (5) Source: boerhave museum. You can get the image also from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Test Nepen (neben) thess (diese) herba cui9 (cuium) me// mi nit  plini9 apud Romeru_ penelope hui9 succo addito porulie / discutit tristicria ro_uiuij. unde illud odissex/r / unde bibebat. Ire. Nepe_thess. o_mnisqp obliuia cure/ Na_ ha_r uim habere tradu2 per va_/ Gu_t 4~ puta_t et_ buglossam/ de qua Gaken9 stribit. qp vino i_missa Petirie causa sit.   Book review Posted by: Davidsch - 14-04-2017, 02:19 PM - Forum: News - Replies (2) The New York Review of Books You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The Voynich Manuscript You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. edited by Raymond Clemens, with an introduction by Deborah Harkness Beinecke Library/ Yale University Press, 304 pp., $50.00 First Previous Next Last