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| An earlier Marci? |
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Posted by: -JKP- - 31-08-2018, 11:37 PM - Forum: Provenance & history
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René, is there any information on earlier members of Iohannes Marci's family (father, grandfather, uncles)?
There is a notation top-right (possibly an ex libris) at the end of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.:
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A[nn]o 1561 Ad 18 octobre
in ?p g? hispurg (hisburg) (might the third character be c-tail?)
R I D G? (N D G?)
Georgius Marcius
Handwritten manuscripts were on the wane in the 16th century, with mass-produced books quickly replacing them, so they tended to stay in the small circles of people who could afford them. The CLM 1111 is from the Alsace, but ended up in the Munich library, so may have moved around.
I thought you might like to take a look in case there's a possible connection Between George Marci and Iohannes Marcus Marci.
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Also, on a paleographical note... Note the looong serif on the "i" on the second and fourth lines. This is an uncommon way to write "i" (I have to really search to find examples) and matches the "i" in "chiton" "imiltos" "nim" and (to some extent) "mich" on 116v.
Also, the small looped "n" is also uncommon and close to the "n" in "nim".
Note also the 3rd character in the 2nd row. It's probably not "r" (r wasn't written this way unless it had a tail and this is not a tail), it's probably an open-top "p" (although I'm not completely sure) and might be the same long-serif open-top "p" that is above "ven mus mel".
It's not the same handwriting as the 116v marginalia, and one can see the evolution from Gothic to Humanist text (the ascender loops are gone, as gradually occurred in the 16th century), but there are enough similarities that MAYBE George Marci learned to write in the same region as the 116v marginalia writer.
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| [Essentials] Counts discussion |
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Posted by: Koen G - 18-08-2018, 02:49 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I just made a new thread to gather all counts of things: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Here any additions can be suggested. Count VViews, please make abundant use of your editing rights here, I must have forgotten quite a bit of things we've counted before.
Did we ever reach a definite count of the total number of human figures?
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| Counts |
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Posted by: Koen G - 18-08-2018, 02:46 PM - Forum: Curated threads
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This first post will be updated with various counts of things, presented with a link to the source. For any corrections or additions, see the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
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- Number of characters: 160.000 to 165.000 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- Number of words: 37.000 to 39.000 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- Number of different words: 9.000 to 10.000 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
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Human figures:- Human figures in Q13: 231 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- Human figures in "Zodiac section": 303 (299 nymphs + 4 central figures) (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- Figures wearing clothes (besides headgear): 50 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- Number of visible shoes: 8 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
Plants:- Number of large-plant drawings: 134, divided over 124 pages with a single plant and 5 pages with a pair (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- There are 45 containers in the small-plants section. Apart from containers, there are 241 other items (plants, roots, one cube...) (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
Stars:- Stars in the margins of Q20: 324, of which 163 have red paint. (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- Number of stars in f68r1: 29 (all labeled)
- Number of stars in f68r2: 59, of those 24 are labeled, 12 unlabeled, plus the additional outer circle of 23 unlabeled stars. (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
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| Splitting word across lines |
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Posted by: lelle - 16-08-2018, 09:19 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography
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In medieval manuscripts, does word-splitting across lines occur?
For example, I want to write the word abracadabra but run out of space on the current line and thus I split it into abra(linebreak)cadabra. Is this the way it's done or is this being taken care of in some other fashion?
Thanks in advance
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| Days of creation / Scivias (Hildegard) |
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Posted by: Koen G - 15-08-2018, 07:14 PM - Forum: Imagery
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Hildegard wrote the first of her vision-books, known as the Scivias , around 1151. Until WWII, one copy (Rupertsberg) survived which was made shortly after her death, and certainly under the immediate influence of her surroundings. This MS was lost to the war, but fortunately it was copied in the early 20th century. Most Scivias images you have seen are from this modern copy (Eibingen).
The following fragment is from the Eibingen copy. We can assume that this is more or less how Hildegard herself had envisioned it. The six days of Creation
- Night and Day
- Sky and Sea
- Land and Vegetation
- Stars, Sun and Moon
- Sea creatures including fish and Birds
- Animals and Mankind
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Illustrations of Hildegard's work could give rise to comparison with Voynich images. The style isn't standard medieval and the compositions deviate from stock scenes. There are cosmological elements and many naked figures (souls in Hildegard, "nymphs" in the VM).
Now upon closer inspection I'd say that the earliest Hildegard MSS are in style much more like the Spanish Beatus MSS of a century before, and don't share much with the VM apart from some degree of strangeness.
Now, to get to the point, what made me open this thread is the 6-days-scene from the 12th century You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
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The overall style of the images is still quite different from the VM, and the same is true for the contents (an explosion of angels and Jesuses). But especially in the cosmological elements there is a departure from Hildegard's style towards things we are more used to, especially from the rosettes foldout. Note the eye-shape in the first day (top left), the blob representing the Earth with its waters, human heads in Sun and Moon, the green wave pattern under the dragon bottom left. Note certainly the "wavy starfish" bottom middle, which here represents the four rivers of paradise. Also androgynous human nudes, but that's not too exceptional in such works.
So, any thoughts? Has anyone studied this MS before?
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