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• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Bernd > 09-12-2025, 09:21 PM

  (09-12-2025, 03:31 AM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Note that seven-pointed stars were used in illustrations concerning You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The image below shows You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  

  These are very well-matching stars, even with a ring in the middle!

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 07-05-2026, 05:46 PM

  (28-04-2025, 05:12 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (28-04-2025, 02:27 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Let's search for suitable Latin word pairs Vodar and Umydain (if any).

  
  We can also consider the initial  "Um" to represent an entire word.
  By searching in Cappelli:
   verum, - virum, - vestrum
  
   utrum, - unum, - verbum

  
  Besides Latin, in Portuguese "um" (masculine) means "one".

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 17-05-2026, 11:18 AM

  In Germanic languages, "um" acts as a preposition or prefix: 
  
  - German: "um" acts as a preposition meaning "around" or "at" (e.g., um vier Uhr = at 4 o'clock). It is also a prefix indicating surrounding or transformation. 
  
  - Old Norse & Icelandic: In old Germanic roots, it translates to "around," "about," or "concerning."

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  sōlstəs > 27-06-2026, 09:34 AM

  It seems as I found my first thread that I want to follow up ... the beneventian script seems to be a promising track for some glyphs to be identified.  
  
  Look here: 
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  These scripts are all from the same school, the same tradition, same library. They carry the writings of a monastry and their scholars. The language seems to be medical. The scripts are full of recipes, remedies and anatomical information, even registries... Does it look Voynich-like?
  
  And some of the scripts carry "marks" just like the Voynich collection is famous for. Dirty parchments, low quality, wormholes, cuttings, water damages. Nothing that somebody would produce for a sale. Some of those scripts seem to be misbound as well. Is that a coincidence? What do you think?
  
  Shall I check their "provenience" and "later add on"-entries to compare it with what we know about the Voynich collection. Would that help?

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  sōlstəs > 27-06-2026, 02:46 PM

  I want to admit, I like the Pal. lat. 1304 most. 
  
  Very nice starter folio: 
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  I wonder, if the Voynich starter folio(s) would have looked like this? 
  
  The next folio is great example for the schools art of registry:
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  So, what do you think? Who wants to explore more Beneventian pattern?

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  nablator > 27-06-2026, 02:58 PM

  (27-06-2026, 02:46 PM)sōlstəs Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So, what do you think?

  
  Definitely not Beneventan script. Look at the 'a' and 't'. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  
  Rewriting of faded writing in black ink for Stolfi in the Trotula (f38r): You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Jorge_Stolfi > 27-06-2026, 03:55 PM

  (27-06-2026, 02:58 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Rewriting of faded writing in black ink for Stolfi in the Trotula (f38r): You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  
  Thanks!  
  
  But I suppose that the optimists (me) will feel vindicated by the fact that the Retracer got half the characters perfectly retraced, completely hiding the original ink.  While the pessimists will note the fact that, on half of the characters, he was unable to do so...
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  oshfdk > 27-06-2026, 11:06 PM

  (27-06-2026, 03:55 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But I suppose that the optimists (me) will feel vindicated by the fact that the Retracer got half the characters perfectly retraced, completely hiding the original ink.  While the pessimists will note the fact that, on half of the characters, he was unable to do so...

  
  I'm under impression that we are looking at different scans, again. I can count maybe 15 characters that are retraced without leaving the original ink visible, out of approximately 110 total retouched. I would call this a very accurate retracing job, though.
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