R. Sale > 20-08-2016, 06:31 PM
-JKP- > 20-08-2016, 07:03 PM
(20-08-2016, 06:31 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This conversation has gone from Images to Experts and now back to images again. Kind of like ping-pong, isn't it? However I'd like to follow up on Davidsch's comment on Pisces and Cancer pairings. You are correct to point out that the illustration of paired crayfish in VMs Cancer is a possible example of intentional pairing, where as Pisces is always a pair and the artist has no reasonable alternative. Just like Gemini.
Just for the record, I believe that was my comment.
With VMs Pisces the concern is with its placement in the Zodiac sequence. Pisces in the initial position is highly erratic. So it's not the medallion itself that is unexpected, but its placement. And it is true that Pisces, as the initial pair, is so expected and so subtle that the pairing aspect totally escapes consideration because the positional aspect is such a surprise. But that pales to virtually nothing when it is discovered that Aries and Taurus have been split into halves. This is an outlandish shock. What passes unrecognized is the presence of pairing here as well.
It's uncommon to start with Pisces, but whether it's highly erratic depends how you look at it.
1. If you see the zodiacs as related to medical astrology (or something else that was "informed" by the positions of the stars in the middle ages) then the zodiacs don't have to be in sequence or to start at any given point or to be shown once or more than once. For example, if the cycles relate to marriage or childbirth, or other important life experiences, then the zodiac symbols might identify celestially "propitious" times to engage in these activities and it may be coincidental that there were enough of them to put them in order so that it almost looks like a full cycle.
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2. If you look at some of the old zodiacs, you'll see summer and winter solstice represented by suns and moons, and Pisces immediately follows the solstice. If the person who created these wheels were Pagan rather than Christian or some other more recent religion, then solstice is extremely significant, a sacred event, and some considered solstice or the equinox to be the start of the year, depending on their beliefs and location. In the south, where spring comes earlier, Aquarius, rather than Aries was sometimes considered the start of the year. So... what comes first really depends.
Personally I'm leaning more toward #1 than #2 as a possible explanation for Pisces being first. If these are like astrological castings, then the point of the zodiacs is to show the best times to do things rather than being a representation of a full zodiac sequence.
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The examples of pairing exist these VMs illustrations. The unusual factors involved in the creation of this sequence strongly imply intentional construction. The purpose of that construction is to put together a sequence and collection of pairs in order to set forth pairs and pairing as an idea, concept, model, and paradigm to serve as a basis for further further investigation.
I'm certainly in agreement that the pairing of Cancer is both intentional and unusual.
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