david > 27-08-2016, 09:57 AM
Quote:Ask "who most often pictured crossbowmen in calendars after 1440" and the answer will surely come back "Germany". However, if you ask "Does anyone have an idea of why the crossbow in the Voynich manuscript looks as if it's made of wood, and why the archer's hand might be pictured in that position?" then the answer comes back (as it did thanks to a former colleague) - because it's a rare form of crossbow only known from a couple of late archaeological finds - of Spanish bows specifically meant for maritime use.(emphasis mine)
R. Sale > 27-08-2016, 04:54 PM
Anton > 27-08-2016, 05:15 PM
-JKP- > 27-08-2016, 10:27 PM
ReneZ > 28-08-2016, 08:23 AM
MarcoP > 28-08-2016, 10:57 AM
(27-08-2016, 05:15 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....And I would like to add the following to R.Sale's question:
If an accurate identification is luckily achieved, then what this will give us? Will new oppotunities to advance appear in that case? Remember those guibelline merlons. Did they bring us forward?
Anton > 28-08-2016, 02:04 PM
MarcoP > 28-08-2016, 02:57 PM
(28-08-2016, 02:04 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Marco,
Well they are informative, but the information is indecisive. I would say that what's most informative in those merlons is not that they are depicted in the portion of the map allegedly representing Europe, but that they are also depicted in other portions of the map. This means that the person who depicted them not only was familiar with guibelline merlons but he perceived guibelline merlons as the prevalent type of merlons. This suggests that a person who depicted them was literally surrounded by the guibelline merlons at the time he made that drawing.
(28-08-2016, 02:04 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But that's an assumption. What if guibelline merlons do not stand for depiction of real objects but for a "political" manifest of some kind? What if the person who depicted them was not a native to these merlons but just lived amongst them for some time (like, studied or teached in an Italian university)? What if the map was copied verbatim from another source and included into the manuscript as a standalone element?
And so on.
For me, aror sheey in one line with a German phrase in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is thousand times more informative than the guibelline merlons.
(28-08-2016, 02:04 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have my own weird "pet-theory" about what the VMS origin and history might have been, but that's based on "hearsay" from the Internet and fragments of books that I have read (I mean I read fragments, not books). I won't disclose it until I'm sure there's anything rational in it, and for that I need to study quite a many aspect still - perhaps it's all absurd. But the root idea (and I think there's some sense in it) is that the VMS is not a one-time product, but a "legacy" of a "thinker" or "teacher" brought together (possibly, from a number of manuscripts) by his "successors" or "pupils".
Anton > 28-08-2016, 03:49 PM
Quote:You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. might have been added later, in a different place, by someone who could still read and write Voynichese but spoke a language not related to that of the author (not that I think this is the case, but it is not impossible)
Diane > 28-08-2016, 04:04 PM