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Voynich Alphabet Posted by: cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 24-02-2022, 03:35 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions - Replies (7) In my latest post I am discussing the two most mysterious VM glyphs, EVA-f and EVA-p. Besides EVA-t and EVA-k, these are the only shapes of the letters I could not find in the 15th century manuscripts. Check my blog to see which sounds they had replaced.  In my previous posts, I offer some ideas to those who want to replicate my theory, by comparing the script to the Latin script in 5 different 15th century manuscripts, and showed 80 transcribed words that are spelled exactly the same in Slovenian. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Attached Files Thumbnail(s)       Megiddo vs F70v2 Posted by: Scarecrow - 24-02-2022, 11:51 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (1) Just red about Megiddo and at least for me, there is some similarity with one of the artworks with F70v2. Sorry if already discussed somewhere else, the search function here is not something I understand.  Megiddo church, near You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., is an archaeological site which preserves the foundations of one of the oldest church buildings ever discovered by archaeologists, dating to the 3rd century AD.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Attached Files Thumbnail(s)           Examples of connected dots? Posted by: Koen G - 22-02-2022, 03:42 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (42) There are a few examples of connected dots/circles in the VM, one on the Rosettes foldout and four on f67v. We don't know if the examples on both folios represent the same thing.     I am wondering which parallels for these have been found. If I recall correctly, there are two main categories: magical writing and celestial bodies.  The examples of magical writing I know of are in Hebrew manuscripts or later traditions based on them, and they postdate the VM. Does anyone know of pre-1450 examples? An alternative is constellations. I remember we discussed this on the forum once, but I am unable to find it. It is similar to this MS, though it uses asterisk-style stars instead of circles.     Source: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I labelled the constellations. It seems that especially Taurus and Capricorn are similar to the thing on the Rosettes foldout, but I don't know if this would be generally recognized.   Wreath of the Virgin Posted by: R. Sale - 21-02-2022, 01:01 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (9) In reading bits about medieval religion over the last few days, particularly the rise of Mariology during the VMs C-14 dates, I've seen several articles that mention the Wreath of the Virgin. As the story goes, when the Virgin Mary died, at her funeral, a wreath was place on her breast - a wreath of red, white and sky-blue flowers. "Elles mirent sur la poitrine une couronne de fleurs blanches, rouges et bleu de ciel, symbole de la virginité." Not known what the original source is for this information. Looking for artistic representations has not been productive. Peter Paul Rubens has shown two angels carrying a wreath to place on Mary's head, but the wreath is small, dark and nondescript. Also, the French terminology is a bit problematic, not all wreaths are crowns. So, what about wreaths in the VMs? Here is the middle image from the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - f86v6 series. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. It looks like a wreath to me, always has. And in the center - a crescent moon. Perhaps that is also a hint to recognize Mary as the woman standing on the moon. // Woman of the Apocalypse // VMs Virgo  There is blue, but no red in the VMs illustration. However, given the poor search results for relevant artistic illustrations, there really isn't a better representation (yet). On its own, this may seem to be another flimsy connection, but in combination with the growing number of subtle religious references turning up in the VMs, perhaps this might be considered more seriously. Perhaps the depiction of the wreath was considered as a symbol for the Virgin Mary. After all, the last time a wreath was dedicated to the Virgin was by Pope Francis in Nov. 2021. It's an annual event. And what about that circular text? What could that be?   Part of Zodiac was added later? Posted by: februs - 20-02-2022, 11:32 PM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy - Replies (28) hi I am Japanese, so I don't good English. if you can't understand my sentence, please ask me feel free. I knowed somewhere that part of Zodiac in VM was added later. the first, it made 66 pages plants and so on. the later, part of Zodiac and astronomy pages added in VM. is this really? if it is so, please tell me the reason.(*- -)(*_ _)ペコリ and I am makeing voynich video in youtube. so I am seaching about it, and I finded here. I read some thread(I read almost) I was fun.((´∀｀*))ヶﾗヶﾗ   No text? A visual code! Posted by: R. Sale - 18-02-2022, 08:45 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (4) There was a lot of visual code in place in the relevant (C-14) Middle Ages. Part of that visual code was heraldry. Heraldry is clearly a part of the VMs. The cosmic nebuly line speaks for itself. And otherwise, heraldic connections might be a bit obscure and hard to read. The difficulties here are twofold, in the ambiguity of the source (VMs) and in the historical obscurity of the reference. Heraldry is doubly disadvantaged, but, unlike astrology and alchemy and medieval mumbo-jumbo, it is a relatively simple topic with fixed interpretations. In other words, a code. A code that could identify individuals and families and their noble ancestry and royal ranking, and ecclesiastical orders and ranking as well, without the use of the spoken or written word. A code. And not just through recognition, but in various cases through heraldic canting. As to the text, there's plenty of it. No shortage there. Some attempts at interpretation remain in limbo, the rest have fallen through the grate. Various attempts to interpret the data occur, but they are lacking the direction for any specific examples of text. The VMs drawings may relate to the stars, but can they relate to and designate specific segments of text? In deed, they can. Heraldry is a visual code that gives the VMs historical grounding and textual specificity in combination. Analysis of the VMs text, will depend on methodology. But the other part is selection of the specimen to be analyzed.   Any ideas about this detail? (Middle right rosette). Posted by: Koen G - 18-02-2022, 03:07 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (37)     I don't recall having seen any explanations for this. Has anyone ever seen anything like this elsewhere? It looks like two "tails" coming out of a central point, but I have no idea what the intention may have been. I'm also not sure if the "tails" angle is a good one, since the outer lines seem to make two half circles towards the cloud bands.  Conceptually, we can probably assume this scene takes place either in the sky or in the heavenly realm (or both). It is probably something you cannot touch when you are on earth, at least that would be the meaning of the cloud band in standard iconography. They also used a special method of painting, applying curved dabs of blue paint, maybe suggestive of clouds? There is also a strange detail of a couple of lines bottom left on the inner circle.   Why is the Rosettes page much larger than any other page? Posted by: Mark Knowles - 03-02-2022, 03:07 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (9) The Rosettes page takes up 6 sides of the manuscript. There are other foldouts in the manuscript, but each side of those is like a separate page, so the Rosettes features by far and away the largest single image. A page this size is more costly than 6 individual sheets, because it requires a larger piece of vellum. One could ask why the author(s) needed such a large sheet for the rosettes drawing, could the drawing fit on a smaller sheet without loss of detail? Was the topic particularly important that it merited a large sheet? Presumably the large sheet was purchased specifically for the purpose of the Rosettes drawing.   Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport Posted by: Koen G - 30-01-2022, 07:48 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (147) When Cary and I posted our grand overview of possible Christian themes in the Voynich images, a common (and justified) complaint was that the post was too long. Therefore, we decided to treat each subject separately, and to start with the Rosettes foldout. What I thought would be a quick rewrite, ended up in a complete revision that took us half a year. We soon realized that this post about the Rosettes would be too long as well, and decided to chop it up into smaller, bite-size chunks. The advantage of this is that the post is compact and limited in scope, easier to digest. The disadvantage is that we can only present a part of our evidence at the time. But I think it is better like this. Part one is online now. The second part is almost finished and will be published next week.  The first piece of the puzzle focuses entirely on the "walls" connecting the outer circles: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..   Finding the icons Posted by: R. Sale - 24-01-2022, 09:40 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - No Replies Finding the icons is problematic in the VMs.  Identifying the nature of icons is difficult. Defined as an image, figure, representation or picture. This definition lacks the essential *star* quality that makes an icon an icon. Though it may not be easy to find icons, it is possible to find things that were iconic relevant to the C-14 dates. Where something iconic is something that goes without saying.  Certain understandings and interpretations that need no explanation because they were well known at the time VMs creation. And even though quite famous at the time, have gotten lost in the cascade of historical events. The VMs cosmos is iconic. The understanding goes without saying, but the interpretation is a long and complex review of medieval representations. concluding with a focus of BNF Fr. 565 and Harley 334. The Golden Fleece was certainly iconic. Does it occur, as has been suggested, in the VMs? Not just once, but twice? Discovered despite ambiguous representation. Confirmed by the existence of dual representation, pairing. And confirmed by association with other historical icons, as represented in the illustrations, either Melusine or the Agnus Dei icon. One icon confirms the other. Heraldry is iconic. Red hats and blue stripes were iconic. The cardinal's red galero was traditional. The armorial insignia was historical. The combination was a unique historical event. Swallowtail merlons are iconic.  The ring and the cross were iconic to Saint Colette of Corbie. The double rainbow would have been iconic for La Sainte Hostie de Dijon. There were crowds in the street to validate the popular significance of such icons. So, the icons exist in the VMs illustrations, it's up to the investigator to find them. First Previous Next Last