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[Trinity] Plant identification in Trinity College MS O.2.48 Apuleii Herbarium |
Posted by: Koen G - 27-04-2017, 08:19 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the tree on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is? I've gotten used to the script a bit and I think I can make out;
The name of the tree is "Quibanos". The tree grows in "anglica"
- - then there's a bunch of abbreviations I don't understand yet - -
and then, I guess: the tree was brought into the island by sea from Ethiopia (??)
By the way, there is something special about reading an abbreviated text like this. I don't really read the letters but rather at a glance I recognize the "shape" of an abbreviation. Like it doesn't really matter whether they drop one letter more or less. The abbreviations are almost like markers for the plant's name, for where it's from... And the paragraph markers are also really handy for seeing immediately where a section starts about a new plant. I'm starting o get a better feel for certain gallow hypotheses that have been proposed before.
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Statistical regularity of European languages and Voynich Manuscript analysis |
Posted by: Anton - 19-04-2017, 10:03 PM - Forum: News
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This is a recent (2016) article in the "pre-print" status, available here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
The text is in Russian.
Abstract (original orthography & grammar are preserved):
Quote:The statistical properties of letters frequencies in European literature texts are investigated. The determination of logarithmic dependence of letters sequence for one-language and two-language texts are examined. The pare of languages is suggested for Voynich Manuscript. The internal structure of Manuscript is considered. The spectral portraits of two-letters distribution are constructed.
Authored by nine (!) authors, some of them from the Keldysh Applied Maths Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Unfortunately, this seems to be yet another example of not so convincing intrusion of academics into the field of Voynich. After I read, in the Introduction, that the VMS is dated to XVI century, I lost half of my wish to read further; after I read, two paragraphs later, that they contrapose "EVA" and "Takahashi" transcriptions, I lost the other half.
The non-Russian sources cited are the catalog record and materials analysis @ Beinecke, Pelling's book, paper by Landini and Zandbergen, Levitov's solution, and Takahashi's transcription.
Judging by conclusion, the authors claim that the VMS is written in mixed language - 60% in English or German, and 40% in Italian, Spanish or Latin, all this with vowels omitted.
One day I may read this paper in full, but sorry - not now.
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Improper or incorrect credits |
Posted by: ReneZ - 18-04-2017, 07:56 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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This is not my favourite topic, and I only start a new thread because I don't want to be off-topic in another one.
Only just a few days ago I wrote in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
Quote:It's a real pity that this spectre of 'who said what first' is haunting so many discussions.
It is obviously to be expected that if many dozens of people are looking at the same thing, many people will come to the same conclusions completely independently.
and various related statements.
In an interesting blog post by Koen about the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , he is unfortunately misled by a particularly bad example of this, when he writes in footnote [2] about who probably first noted the oak and ivy comparison with the Manfredus MS.
The source for that appears to be You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , which further refers to a comment at Stephen Bax' blog.
The trouble is that there is no information about 'who was first'. The selection of Edith Sherwood is arbitrary.
It is also the only one of the three (Edith, JKP and myself, who all noted this independently from each other) that is definitely not the right answer.
For those who care about this topic, the comments on Stephen Bax' blog ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ) are quite clear, I think.
If one wants to credit someone, one has to get it right.
Not knowing something may be unsatisfactory, but this might just reflect reality.
In this situation it is not acceptable to make things up, because people will be misled in believing it, as happened in the case of Koen's blog post.
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