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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 711 online users. » 5 Member(s) | 703 Guest(s) Applebot, Bing, Google, Hider, Juan_Sali Latest Threads Analysis of patterns at t... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: quimqu 1 hour ago » Replies: 5 » Views: 127 Combination of pch glyphs Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Ruby Novacna Yesterday, 08:40 AM » Replies: 21 » Views: 12,360 [split] VMS mailing list ... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Koen G Yesterday, 08:24 AM » Replies: 11 » Views: 223 Eleven Moon Phases in Fol... Forum: Astrology & Astronomy Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi Yesterday, 05:17 AM » Replies: 121 » Views: 21,243 Speculative fraud hypothe... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi Yesterday, 03:50 AM » Replies: 87 » Views: 5,875 The journey into an unkno... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: Petrasti 14-09-2025, 04:02 PM » Replies: 26 » Views: 2,529 How to prove that the B-l... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: Ruby Novacna 14-09-2025, 08:00 AM » Replies: 76 » Views: 33,884 My Theory: RITE — Ritual ... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: oaken 13-09-2025, 08:47 PM » Replies: 18 » Views: 1,450 Positional Mimic Cipher (... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: quimqu 13-09-2025, 06:58 PM » Replies: 39 » Views: 1,680 No text, but a visual cod... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: Antonio García Jiménez 13-09-2025, 04:24 PM » Replies: 1,560 » Views: 754,743

Crowdfunding a proteomic analysis ? Posted by: Thomas_S - 23-06-2019, 12:18 PM - Forum: Physical material - Replies (2) In 2018 it was reported in this article in the New Yorker You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   how in 2011 the team of P.G. Righetti from the University of Milan did a proteomics study of an ancient Bible (which came from China, and had been attributed by some to Marco Polo). Now, to quote the New Yorker : Quote:After running the samples through a mass spectrometer, Righetti and his team identified eight biomolecules from the Bible, which had been thought to be made from fetal lambskin. But the proteins belonged to cows, proving that the parchment was vellum—made from vealskin—and indicating, along with evidence from the text, that it was probably made in southern France sometime before 1250. The actual scientific paper is here You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Nowadays more researchers are working in this new field of paleoproteomics. Here is a review paper from 2018 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. So I am wondering : what are the prospects of crowdfunding both a DNA  and a proteomics analysis of some (ideally all) folios of the VM ? By which I mean : how much do these analyses costs, and who might be willing to contribute ? Just to see if a handful of individuals could match that, or if more wealthy donors would be required. It might not be too difficult to convince a team of academics to do the job if they were provided the funds on a plate, and it definitely looks like the results of such a study, and a comparison with other XVth century manuscripts (including the most promising herbals and zodiacs), would clearly pinpoints things to a considerable extent.   NSA declassified documents on the Voynich Manuscript Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 21-06-2019, 07:26 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (8) I thought some of you would like to see what the NSA has declassified from correspondence to analysis.... It's is a lot to go through. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Solved again and again ... Posted by: ReneZ - 21-06-2019, 03:41 PM - Forum: News - Replies (32) A new paper by G. Cheshire just appeared: "The Algorithmic Method for Translating MS408 (Voynich). Gerard E. Cheshire, June 2019". It translates portfolio 53 (right) using a host of romance languages. I got it through academia.edu and I suspect there will be a link at his "science survey" site. It also mentions a paper I had not yet seen: 3. Consonants & Vowels, Castles & Volcanoes: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I don't know if that link is safe.   [split] Robert Fludd, Integrum morborum mysterium (1631) Posted by: Koen G - 19-06-2019, 10:13 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (21) Gladyseva pinned some good images. Has anyone seen the following images before? They look like some reimagining of the 9-rosettes foldout. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (edit: I split these posts since they may be worth their own thread - Nablator found the origin, see post below)   Alisa Gladyseva: Voynich manuscript is decoded Posted by: bi3mw - 18-06-2019, 07:39 PM - Forum: News - Replies (138) Alisa Gladyseva: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Unfortunately, there is not really a preview.   VM TTR values Posted by: Koen G - 14-06-2019, 12:45 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (75) Since the main discussion is going on in the off-topic section, I thought it might be worthwhile to make a separate thread for discussion of the VM values. Once again I'd like to thank everyone who helped me out, many interventions were required for me to get to this point. I would be so hopeless without you guys. I redid everything using Rene's ZL2a file (more spaces) as recommended by Nablator. From this I isolated five sections: Herbal A  Herbal B Q13 Small plants (with labels removed, so only the paragraphs) Q20 I then used Nablator's code to calculate the following MATTR window sizes: 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 500. Using my corpus of 471 texts, I calculated mean and stdev for each window. This allowed me to normalize the values. The result is as follows:   Naamloos-2 kopiëren.gif (Size: 26.88 KB / Downloads: 385) As you can see, both B-sections (orange and red) behave similarly.  Herbal A and the paragraphs from the small plants behave very similarly as well. Is the latter entirely A? And Q13 has overall much lower values. The way I read the graph, this appears to be the result of larger distance repetitions. Below 5, it starts to approach the other sections again. Voynich tourism Posted by: ReneZ - 05-06-2019, 10:25 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (1) Work brought me to Prague today. I found a nice place to stay, in a lively area of Prague, just outside the old city, in Havelská (street). This is the street where Mnisowsky used to live. His house is just one block away, and I believe it is this one.   mnis.jpg (Size: 163.06 KB / Downloads: 177) Just round the corner is the house where Marci lived. His bust was attached to the building on the instigation of the historian Josef Smolka:   marci.jpg (Size: 83 KB / Downloads: 107)   Glyph combinations across word breaks in the Voynich Manuscript Posted by: Emma May Smith - 03-06-2019, 06:24 PM - Forum: News - Replies (36) New article in Cryptologia: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Abstract: Quote:The text of the Voynich manuscript exhibits relationships between neighboring words that have not formally been explored. The last and first glyphs of adjacent words show some dependency, and certain glyph combinations are more or less likely to occur. The patterns of preferences for glyph combinations demonstrate the existence of higher-level glyph groups. The behavior of the glyph combinations may arise due to changes in a glyph caused by its neighbor. (I'm happy to discuss the philosophy of open access academic publishing with anybody. Please PM me.)   17r and a very controversial subject matter f.g.m. Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 02-06-2019, 11:09 PM - Forum: Imagery - No Replies f17r translation of the plant is not about a plant. I always work out the translation before finding a plant, and this one is talking about something even today the UN passed a resolution on because it causes "irreparable and irreversible abuse"  I took the right side words and the words in the plant and moved to the bottom, because they did not fit where placed if you were going straight across. Beloved weaver, a binding oath, of sexual wrongdoing and harm, meddle in wrath. Adorn the Gapar (term used for female anatomy from an unused root meaning ‘to house in”). My brother will be exalted of slime/secretions taking action of life and dew seduced sweep up heap. According to the rune, weaver sing, my brother is the Lord of slime/secretions and God of taking action. God listens and comes down from his throne to answer, take advantage of the heap, a supernatural event, to exist_*_. Sweep then aggressively truthful then spin the grey head and thoroughly long live to vex. To sweep lord beauty to vex, beauty and crown to live favored. Respect and honor like darkness to make happen beauty, and crown shout for joy, beauty because he will reap what he sows in this truce, friend lord. Rest fair basket. Alas, hated one, this removed. There is a reason for it, my own Lord forever. She is bound to husband home oath. Sing a joyful song fair basket. Friend beauty to make happen, dew seduced and fornication then brother elevated. Long live noble wise atonement a lofty shrine. Heathen weaver snatch up. Female daughters wings removed and vulva from basket form. Long live to make intercession weaver. Moisture to sweep, not grown up, rest. two key words in the Voynich Manuscript: one is ‘to spin’ create, preserve, or fashion and the other is ‘weaver” the person doing the creating, the yaya or grandmother, the wise one, the matriarch of the family. In this instance there are 2 weavers the beloved  and the goy or Heathen. So who is the villan? Note the red and bleeding 'eyes' in the root system, the 3 flowers at the top of the plant, and the 12 leaves. (most girls were cut around the time of their dowry, before the first menses. It was tradition like a right of passage. So is she advocating for cutting or possibly protecting the girl?   [split] f6r plant Posted by: -JKP- - 01-06-2019, 02:55 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (27) (01-06-2019, 02:17 AM)Monica Yokubinas Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... I have been consistent in my methodology for example You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a pitcher plant and here is the translation:   ... (01-06-2019, 02:00 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't think it looks like a pitcher plant (in fact, I think I know what plant it is), but if it is a pitcher plant, then are you saying the VMS (or the VMS plants) originated in tropical Asia or Madagascar? (01-06-2019, 01:43 AM)Monica Yokubinas Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.amazing what we all think we know... never stop learning. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I know you wanted to prove me wrong, Monica, but Drosophyllum lusitanicum is not a pitcher plant. It is related to the sundew plants (a different kind of carnivorous plant), several of which are native to Europe. It's not surprising that it would be found on the Iberian peninsula. Look at the long thin tendrils, similar to many European sundew (Drosera) plants:   Image Credit: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You can't call that a pitcher plant. It doesn't have pitchers. You can't say Drosophyllum is a European pitcher plant because it's not directly related to Nepenthes (eastern pitcher plants) or the Sarracenias (the New World pitcher plants). Here are some pics of pitcher plants. They are distinctly different from sundews: Image Credit: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. First Previous Next Last