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Diacritical variants of "i" and "e" Posted by: Rafal - 19-03-2025, 02:40 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (8) In my previous post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I suggested that "a" letter could actually be "ei" and people in general said that it is possible. Now I would like to go deeper into analysis of Voynich letters because some of them may be something different then it seems at first glance. First of all, there is something like diacritical marks which can be added to many letters. They don't exist in English but do exist in many other languages: I won't go into any serious linguistics here but I would say that they change the letter a bit but not totally. Take the Spanish word "Español", "ñ" is not "n" but is not totally different from "n", it's some altered variant of "n". And now how would you say, does Voynich script has its own kind of diacritical marks? I would say it's possible. Have a look: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Do you think it's possible that for example "r" is "i" with some "accent" added? And would you agree that the same accents may be added to "i" and "e"? And are  "i" and "r"  in the same relationship as "e" and "s"? Personally I think it's possible. But there is a question - what next? Does it give us any advantage if we decide that these letters are related, are diactrical variants of other letters? Did anybody research it further?   68r - Strange glyphs around faces Posted by: Bluetoes101 - 19-03-2025, 02:21 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (18) I've quickly drawn out the glyphs below black - normal voynich orange - probably due to writing small/in circles, or fading/ink blots etc red - strange glyphs Do these resemble any known plaintext letters / symbols? Or explainable by some combo of "orange"?    A method I have made to translate the Voynich/chiper text Posted by: project963 - 19-03-2025, 10:06 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (73) I have only tested it on 6 folio pages, but it seem to be working: Presentation You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Analysis You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Dictionary You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Its not finished and I regard it as a sketch for further analysis. Best regards Pawel Erlandsen   Let us count the days Posted by: 008348dc760f858fd668476b75fb6f - 16-03-2025, 10:27 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (15) The Zodiac Section Overview The Voynich Manuscript (VMS) contains an astrological section featuring 10 zodiac signs. Two signs appear to have been removed from the original sequence. The remaining sequence begins with Pisces and continues through to Sagittarius. Astrological images of this type and era typically convey specific information: the day and month of the year, degrees within the zodiac ecliptic, religious holidays, celestial timings, and similar data. This makes the zodiac section a promising candidate for locating numerical systems, as such charts essentially function as organized lists of numbers. Visual Structure of the Charts A review of the zodiac images reveals a series of characters, predominantly female with some male figures. Many (though not all) have their hands reaching toward or connecting with stars. These figures are arranged in concentric circles, with "words" assigned to their star connections as well as appearing above and below them in many cases. It's worth noting that the month names written in these zodiac charts appear inconsistent with standard astrological knowledge. Zodiac signs do not correspond directly to specific months—each sign spans portions of two months. This suggests the month names may be later additions by someone with limited astrological expertise. Identifying Numbers in the Zodiac Charts My approach was to search for numbers by considering what information would typically appear within each zodiac sign. The Pisces/Aries charts seemed particularly interesting since Pisces marks the end of the zodiac year while Aries marks the beginning. This boundary condition should reveal distinctive numerical patterns. What numbers would we expect to find here? Pisces occupies the 330-360 degree range of the zodiac, and we know the Julian year in the 15th century consisted of 365 days. Therefore, the numbers from 330-365 could represent either degrees or days of the year. After broader examination of the zodiac tables, it became apparent that the female figures likely represent days of the year, while their connections to stars represent degrees in the zodiac cycle. This hypothesis is supported by the numerical proportions: there should be more women than star connections since there are more days in the year (365) than degrees in a circle (360). Indeed, each zodiac sign typically contains 28-30 female figures, corresponding to the number of days in that month, and careful study reveals that not all have star assignments. Analysis of Aries and Pisces Charts Returning to the Aries chart on folio 70v1, the innermost circle lacks "words" while all other circles contain them. This suggests the beginning of a sequence where connections from preceding zodiac signs would otherwise appear. This positioning makes sense given the manuscript's ordering, indicating this folio is likely the first in a new sequence. In the Pisces chart (folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.), an interesting arrangement of female figures appears on the inner circle around the 10 o'clock position. Two figures face each other, with one joined to a third by what resembles a "pipe" or channel forming what looks like the number "0". Decoding the Numerical System The two facing figures have the "words" "otaral" and "otalar" associated with them. This pairing is intriguing because they contain identical characters but with the 'r' and 'l' positions swapped. Considering what numbers in the expected sequence of 330-365 might appear with such a relationship, 356 and 365 emerged as promising candidates. If we take "otalar" to represent 356 and count the 8 women clockwise around the inner circle, we reach "otaral" at the 365 position. This provides some validation that these pairs might indeed represent those numbers. 365 represents the last day in Pisces and the end of the Zodiac year. I assume that's why the "pipe" connection looks like a "0", a new start. A Roman Numeral-Like System? This pattern suggests a positional numbering system similar to Roman numerals, where the value depends on evaluating preceding and subsequent numbers as part of a whole. Characters' values can be modified by their neighbors and cannot be interpreted in isolation. This might explain why many VMS words have an overabundance of specific characters in certain positions and why the text doesn't conform to typical European language patterns. Proposed Number Mapping Based on this analysis, I propose the following mappings: otaral = 031514 otalar = 031415 The key assumption is that numbers are treated as column pairs that must be summed to derive their final values: 0+3=3 1+5=6 1+4=5 Total: 365 This system functions similarly to Roman numerals conceptually, without being Roman numerals. Indeed it may just be a columnar representation of digits. Central Pisces Symbol Analysis Looking at the center of the Pisces sign, we see two fish connected to a star with the word "otolal" (note: the Voynichese site lists this as "otylal," but closer examination suggests this is an error). Applying our decoding method to "otolal" gives us 030415 and 345. This fits perfectly within the expected degree range for Pisces (330-360). Onward Hopefully by solving enough of the numbers we can have a foothold on the letters and progress from there. The structure of the numbers also suggests pairing of characters which would be a good way to obfuscate the underlying letter frequencies (first by breaking them up into pairs, but then even more so by having multiple pairs that can represent a plain-text character). As I suggested earlier, this approach to encoding a cipher would result in the identified characteristics spotted in the VMS (namely that looking at single characters evidences serious deficiencies in expected representations and data density).   FOUR CIRCLES Challenge Posted by: R. Sale - 15-03-2025, 08:15 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - No Replies Another week, another proposed Voynichese translation / interpretation. Someone asked if there was a way to test a proposed solution, the most apparent being a demonstration, where any random page might do well enough, but perhaps there are some more interesting, potentially better choices. In lieu of the complete textual rendition of the VMs, any or all examples of four folios of circular text might be an adequate challenge. They are the outer ring of the cosmos, the outer circle of White Aries, the circular text in the central Rosette, and the four lines associated with the moon and wreath (middle of f85r2-f86v6). Better choices require reasons and for the first three, the reason is the presence of Stolfi's markers. Stolfi's markers constitute a functional mechanism for the dispersal and reconstitution of a hidden text. While the matter of actual versus potential usage is still awaiting a valid translation, there is the clear, physical connection on VMs White Aries of a text marker with a potential heraldic insignia of real historical significance. The rosette text bands have variously designed markers. The central rosette has two markers that follow the quatrefoil pattern. The last of the circles has no marker, just a clear, blank space dividing four circular lines of text. A hidden text could be constructed as easy as (1) one marker in the cosmos; (2) two markers in the central rosette; (3) three markers in the zodiac sequence. Structure can be demonstrated, but was it created and invested with meaning?? While there are other interesting possible folios, making a sensible and verifiable translation of these four examples would be a most promising start.   Decoding the Voynich Symbols Posted by: 5dd95 - 14-03-2025, 11:17 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (83) i am new here My Name is Ed i have been doing reasearch on the voynich for quite some time.  there are many secrets to the voynich manuscript including multipul people involed in writing the manuscript.  Three of these people are Jacobus Horcicky,  Tycho Brahe, and  Johames Kelpler. as of yet  i have not fully decoded the Voynich Manuscript i Know enough to confidently say i have parcially decoded the voynich and  know How It Works.  i beleave there are 2 more people involved in creating the script.  i have also created a alphabet that i have copywrited.  if anyone can give any guidence regarding how i safley get this information out so people can see my findings.  as you can probably gather i dont want anyone else getting recognition for my findings.  as you can imagine decoding the voynich took a lot of effort.  all advice is apreaciated.   Stellar's theories thread Posted by: voynichrose - 13-03-2025, 01:29 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (14) Aside from this important information on the VMS.  This is me Stellar and I have been stable on medication from my bi-polar for 4 years now.  I wish the mods would forgive me and reinstate me back to Stellar.  I think my manic behavior got in the way of sensible conversation with the people here.  I have been on an injection of invega sustenna for 4 years now and my behavior is good.  Once again I am very sorry for anyone's feeling I hurt while having a manic episodes.  No manic behavior for 4 years now. Please don't delete this information as it may relate to the Voynich. Awhile back I put together how "Henry the 5th", could have been planned as part of the VMS. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Attached Files   Tom_ONeil.pdf (Size: 419.04 KB / Downloads: 10)   A summary of everything we know about the symbols? Posted by: Frigorifico - 12-03-2025, 05:29 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (3) I'm looking for a summary of everything we know about the symbols in the book. How many there are, where do they appear, frequency, stuff like that. I know all that information exists, but I'm having trouble finding a single source that contains all of them   ******* Posted by: project963 - 11-03-2025, 11:18 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (11) *******   Positional allography? Posted by: Frigorifico - 11-03-2025, 07:40 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (13) It is well known that some symbols only appear at the end of words, the beginning, or followed or preceded by some specific symbols. This is often used to argue that voynichese can't be a real language because no language behaves this way, but what if these aren't different symbols? What if symbols change shape depending on where they are in the word? This is something that happens in many real scripts, such as Arabic, Mongolian, Syriac and a few others. Letters have often three or four forms: initial, medial, final and sometimes they also have an isolated form. These shapes are often similar, but they can be quite different in a few cases. This is called "positional allography" However the reason these scripts have this feature is because they are "cursive" in a way, they are designed so that people need to lift their pen as little as possible when writing, which required letters to "flow" into each other and thus change shape The voynich script is not like this, so it wouldn't need to behave like this... But what if it does anyway? What if the Author was exposed to Mongolian or Arabic or whatever and that inspired them to make a script in which letters changed shape depending on their position? This would reduce the number of letters, but it could increase clarity. Also, we could look at letters that never appear at the end or beginning of words to look for the other shapes of those letters Thanks for reading! First Previous Next Last