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| The theory that we will never know what the VMS is |
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Posted by: JustAnotherTheory - 31-01-2026, 10:12 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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It is "said" that about 10% of all medieval mansucripts are lost forever. This includes the work of most European scribes. Only a very few portion of of copyists, or originals, survive to this day (2026).
Therefore it stands to reason if there existed an inspiration for some of the VMS' werid folios, like those in the balneary section, we will
NEVER
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| The letter ‘K’ as a mark of origin? |
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Posted by: Petrasti - 30-01-2026, 04:41 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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If we look at the manuscript and the letters, we see the k, which is transcribed as ‘k’ in EVA. As the letters have similarities with the Latin script, the ‘k’ as such is also recognised as ‘k’. (of course it could be something else, so any issue is debatable until the final solution). In EVA the ch is transcribed as "ch", which I personally see differently, because if the ch is a "ch", we would have to find some more words that are written with "c". But these are rare. So if the scribes used the letter “K” as a consonant instead of the “C”, the question is, in which region was a "K" used instead of a "C"? Or in which language in the period between 1380-1460 was the “K” used instead of the “C”? So it doesn't matter whether we start from a natural language or a cipher, even with a cipher the question is the same: why did the scribes use the “K” and not the “C”? If it were a Latin script, wouldn't the “K” be predominantly a “C”? The same applies to the Romance languages, as they were modelled on the Latin script tradition.
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| Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) |
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Posted by: Koen G - 29-01-2026, 07:50 PM - Forum: Imagery
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I'm opening a new thread about it, because I think we'll need it. One of the sources for Q13 must have been an engineering manuscript much like this one (remember also the fountain discussion earlier).
See this folio: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
A bridge with a pipe pumping water over a valley from a lake to the city. A small waterway connects the lake to the river in the valley.
The river comes down from the top of the page and runs vertically to the bottom, with a curve to the bottom right.
It cuts into the landscape, leaving a deep, undulating shoreline.
A technique of parallel lines is used so shade the cliffs.
Am I describing a page from a renaissance book of engineering, or from VM f75r? Well, apart from the end point of the bridge, apparently both.
The artistic techniques employed are similar as well. The cliffs' faces are done with vertical parallel lines. Water in small streams has long lines inside that run parallel with the shorelines.
Another page that caught my eye is this one: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Notice the outlet, the inlet, the smooth raised basin, the segmented pipes arching in from the mountains...
There are other things in the MS as well, similar to the fountain we discussed earlier: long, vertical pipes with water coming out, which is quite rare in manuscripts. But Q13 does seem to be inspired by it.
I talked to Marco about this, and he suspects there's a decent chance these images are original to the 1432-1433 manuscript by Taccola. If true, this would have implications about the VM.
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| Why and how the text could be Bavarian |
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Posted by: JoJo_Jost - 29-01-2026, 06:15 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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Part 1 The cryptographic pitfalls of the VMS – theories
1. Noise injection In 15th-century cryptography, it was common practice to simply repeat letters and even words in order to make decryption more difficult. I assume that most of the repetitions in the VMS represent zero words, some with individual letter changes. These have not been scattered according to a pattern, but purely at random.
Example: I live in the city = I live leve lige in the city. This is encrypted and you have a problem.
Zero words are adapted to the first glyphs to make them easier to recognise.
2. Null lines: We know that the first lines of many pages have special features. I assume that these are Null lines, some of which are even based on Latin sentences. I myself have managed to squeeze several first lines into a Latin pattern, which then tilted in the second and third lines. This is a kind of psychological warfare: an attacker ( someone who wants to solve the manuscript) in the 15th century was educated. If he found a Latin clue at the beginning, he was psychologically programmed to interpret the rest of the book in Latin. This impression is further reinforced by Latin ligatures in VMS. The author laid a false trail that makes deciphering the manuscript an endless task, because the reader tries to squeeze what is actually a different language into Latin declensions.
3. Weird Lines: As I have shown here, a striking number of the last two or three lines are ‘weird lines’. I assume that when the writer had finished a text, he simply added blank lines at the end of the text that are complete nonsense (or perhaps they are incantations after all  .)
4. I assume that the text was written in Bavarian-Austrian slang, phonetically, as was customary at the time. Furthermore, the sentences are not even grammatically correct. In the 15th century, it would have been easy for a Bavarian to realise that his village dialect could not be understood by many other people (for example, in the larger city where he had been living for decades). A perfect disguise.
5. Then the text was shortened, terms were changed and a cipher was superimposed, which massively destroyed further information in the text. This would be about as difficult to decipher as the Native American languages with their coded terms during the Second World War:
6. So I also assume that "qo" is only a marker. It defines how the following Gallow glyph or other glyphs should be read.
7. I assume that the Gallow glyphs stand for consonant clusters: In Bavarian, there are hard consonant clusters (st, sch, cht, pf, gn, br, etc.) often at the beginning of a word. If a single Gallow character stands for an entire cluster or cluster type, then the words shrink together. There are at least 8 Gallow glyphs; with a switch, there would be 16. Realistically, with a switch, perhaps 10 to 12 of these would be used more frequently. This allows you to use most of the consonant clusters.
o Possible example:
o Labial (lips): b / p = pf / br / ps
o Dental (teeth): d / t = zt / ts (z)
o Velars (palate): g / k = ks (x) / kch
o Sibilants/fricatives: s / f / h = sch / cht / sp
8. Vowel reduction: I assume that the vowels reflect the Bavarian sound of the 15th century. "a" and "o" are phonetically almost interchangeable in Bavarian (darkening). The “e” is consistently ‘swallowed’ in Bavarian or replaced by other vowels, which eliminates the typical letter frequency. This leaves primarily "o/a" "i" and "u" as the dominant vowels. This explains why statistical analyses based on standard languages come up empty here.
9. I assume that the y at the end pulls a vowel (probably "i" or "u") backwards – both as a Latin disguise (the "9" as a ligature) and to achieve a vowel disguise. So possibly a zero glyph at the end of a line and otherwise a vowel.
10. I assume that short words were omitted on one side, if possible (articles), or were added to the other words on the other side. This is typical of Bavarian, for example:
Standard German: Hol die Wurzel
Bavarian: Hoi d'Wurzn
Phonetic/VMS style: hoid wurzn
At the same time, words in Bavarian are very often truncated at the end (endings are omitted).
So the words have mostly 4-7 Letters.
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That's it for now, enjoy. I still need more time for part 2 – it's going to be very exciting, or not. I know part 1 won't stand up to your criticism, but as always, I don't care at all  .
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| voynich.science |
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Posted by: Dunsel - 29-01-2026, 06:17 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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A couple months ago, I started a thread about how I was using LLM's to try to perform calculations on the Voynich. One of the problems I ran into was, it became first, a test of my patience every time it "enhanced" the results and second, a it was still a rather slow process. I would have it generate the Python. Then I'd download it, look it over, run it, get more things added, double check that, etc...
It generated the Python code rather quickly. And once you accepted the fact that it would sometimes cheat by running it's own regex which invariably screwed up the parsing of the transcription, or it would chop functions out of the code and run them without using the proper preceding function, you could eventually get some code written. It was usually 5 steps forward, 4 back. Then, I went a tad overboard one day and went back to the language I know, PHP, and generated a web page to do more than one calculation. Next thing I know, I've created this:
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First thing: THIS WILL NOT RUN ON MOBILE at the moment. I have a lot of CSS tweaking to do before it does so for now, Desktop only.
Second thing: While I have visually looked over the code, I'm not positive of the calculations behind them. I have double checked most, but not all. I'm still finding minor miscalculations so do not treat this as Voynich gospel.
For the moment, consider it a rough draught and you are welcome to be pre-alpha testers.
Let me know if you see any bugs, errors, situations where I had moments of utter stoopidity, things you'd like to see it do, or just general comments.
Edit: The contact form on the site is not working at the moment. If you use it, I likely didn't get the email. You can either reply to this forum post or email me at admin@voynich.science. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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| Words around text intrusions/image breaks and towards the start/end of lines |
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Posted by: zachary.kaelan - 28-01-2026, 11:27 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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So apparently a pretty common thing in medieval times was to make lines very cleanly justified by any means necessary, including abbreviation.
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I hypothesized that this would mess with statistics around drawings and line breaks. I filtered by lines not at the top or bottom of a paragraph, looked at a bunch of statistics, and made some observations.
Observation 1: The letter "e" is significantly less common in words around breaks, except for at the start of lines. It's about 40% as common as expected, before both line breaks and text intrusions, and 60% as common after text intrusions. Similarly, the letter q is around 60% as common both before line breaks and text intrusions, but 19% as common after text intrusions. I believe that all of this is due to omitting those characters when needed to properly align the text. The letter k at 70% may also commonly be removed for abbreviation.
Observation 2: The letter "s" is about 3 times as common in words at the start of lines and both before and after drawings, and 63% more common at the end of lines. For words sandwiched between two drawings, it's 6 times more common. My guesses as to the meaning of this: - Based on varying decreases in the counts of words like "al", "ar", "ol", "or", and "aiin", with increases to words starting with "s", it could be a padding character.
- "sh" is 38% as common as expected at the end of lines and 61% as common before text intrusions, so part of it could be abbreviation.
- One of the s-words may serve to mark the start of a sentence.
Observation 3: Words at line end and before text intrusions are shorter on average, by around 0.3 glyphs and 0.5 glyphs, respectively. There are also a lot of short words that seem to almost exclusively appear in these positions, like "sy", "oly", "oldy", "dy", "oky", "ldy", "ary", "lol", etc. My guess is that these words are either abbreviations or nonsense to pad for length.
Observation 4: This has been You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but words at the start of lines often have a "d" or "y" for padding if the words starts with "ch" or "sh", creating a lot of words that almost exclusively appear at line start. The word "sho" being a strange exception, and also a word that appears primarily at the start of lines. "d" is also usable in place of "s" for most of the words where it seems to be used as padding.
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| New procedural grammar model for the Voynich Manuscript |
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Posted by: CHICHE DAVID - 28-01-2026, 04:35 PM - Forum: The Slop Bucket
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Hello,
I am new here. I recently published a preprint on Zenodo proposing a structural and procedural grammar model for the Voynich Manuscript, based on cross-sectional analysis (botanical, pharmaceutical, and astronomical sections).
The approach is deliberately non-semantic and focuses on recurrent operator families, phase markers, and functional layers (labels vs procedural text).
Zenodo link:
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I will present the model in more detail in a follow-up post.
Thank you for your time and feedback.
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| Was Hartmann Schedel in possession of the VMS? I think so. |
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Posted by: JustAnotherTheory - 27-01-2026, 09:15 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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I have a theory that the VMS was once in the possession of Hartmann Schedel, a 15th century humanist (and avid book collector), who is famous today because he wrote the Nuremberg Chronicle.
The reason I think this is because of a specific manuscript that he possessed in his collection, a Biblia Pauperum (also called Armenbibel, a so-called "poor man's Bible"), housed today in the Bavarian State Library under the denomination You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Before going any further I'd like to note that such "Bibla Pauperum"s were widely circulated at the time (14th, 15th centuries), and their purpose was to tell the chapters of the Bible with many small illustrations within the text. There exist hundreds of Biblia Pauperum, each one is copied from a previous source. What is different about the specific copy in Hartmann Schedel's collection, i.e., You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., is the style of the illustrations, which appear to be drawn by a very similar set of hands as those of the VMS.
There are several examples of this, perhaps the most striking are the drawings of women. Here is a drawing of a naked woman:
In general, the faces of the woman (and men) in the manuscript are a close match to the VMS's illustrator's style:
Notice the red cheeks and red lips, that are characteristic of the faces in the VMS. Note also that no other Biblia Pauperum draws human faces like this.
Here's an enlarged example from another folio:
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Again, red facial features. Here's an example of soldier's chainmail that has the same motifs as the VMS "architecture":
And then there's more depictions of women:
And more:
Notice the hairstyles, that are a good match for the hairstyles in the VMS, along with the identical red cheeks and red mouth. But wait, there's more. What about these Voynich-y animals?
Note the hooves, and the horns, which are similar to the VMS zodiac animals' details. There are many other fantastical animals in the manuscript, some donkeys and snakes, it's well worth a look if you're interested.
Now on to the theory at hand: if Hartmann Schedel got this book from somewhere, and assuming this illustrator is somehow related ot the VMS, that it stands to reason that Schedel might have possessed the VMS at some point in its early history. An interesting sidenote to make is that a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. by computing experts who implemetd a graph theoretical algorithm to search for possible early possessors of the VMS concluded that the most likely candidate to have it in their collection is... Hartmann Schedel.
I will end this discussion with a bit of a cheeky easter egg, if you can call it that:
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