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f27v Posted by: don of tallahassee - 25-09-2016, 07:46 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (18) iiiii   f14r Posted by: don of tallahassee - 25-09-2016, 07:29 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (3) iiiii   f13v Posted by: don of tallahassee - 25-09-2016, 07:18 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (3) iiiii   f3v Posted by: don of tallahassee - 25-09-2016, 06:24 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (19) f3v is probably ramsthorn, Rhamnus catharticus, also known as buckthorn. The code attribution is the first four glyphs in the 5th word, 2nd line, 1st paragraph and is sounded r-t-h-n. The mnemonic is in the leaves. They seem to show a top view of six rams all facing outward with their huge horns in herd defensive stance. The leaves also resemble somewhat the leaves of the herb. I don't know if the mnemonic is only the rams or if it is rams plus horns - I favor the first choice. Thank you. Don of Tallahassee [admin: restored from backup]   f2r Posted by: don of tallahassee - 25-09-2016, 05:26 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (28) Edit KG: when Don left the forum, he removed the contents of all his posts. Since there is now nothing here, I will add a beautiful picture of f2r.       q as waw? Posted by: Emma May Smith - 25-09-2016, 02:52 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (27) So, slightly off-beat theory here, but hear me out. 1) The character q almost always occurs at the beginning of a word. 2) It seems to have a grammatical rather than sound function. 3) If it has a sound, then that sound occurs nowhere else in Voynich words. We can unite these points by proposing that q derives from Arabic waw. In Arabic, the conjunction 'and' is written with the letter waw joined to the beginning of a word. The conjunction 'and' was borrowed into several languages, notably Persian and Turkish, but also others due to the influence of Arabic. But the sound itself, often taken as /v/ rather than /w/, may have either been missing from the host language or not expressed in the same way (even today the sound /v/ is often found in loanwords in Turkish). Thus we could be dealing with a language and script which borrowed this way of writing 'and' from Arabic. The best part is that the characters even look similar: Voynich: q Arabic waw: Bonus! Straight waw used for Tatar:   f40v, right hand plant Posted by: don of tallahassee - 25-09-2016, 12:05 AM - Forum: Imagery - No Replies iiiii   f5v Posted by: don of tallahassee - 24-09-2016, 07:12 AM - Forum: Imagery - No Replies iiiii   Ninja Member, escape: Alchemy Post f77r Posted by: stellar - 22-09-2016, 11:12 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (1) I believe escape is correct in ascertaining the correct meaning for alchemy in the Voynich text.  The welsh numerology cipher I use verifies his findings.  It is amazing that he did it with out a cipher!   Voynichese Phonotactics Posted by: Emma May Smith - 22-09-2016, 02:29 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (39) In another thread a discussion was started about the phonotactics of Voynichese. Basically, where do characters occur within words and syllables and how might this reflect an underlying language. There was particular reference to that fact that [k, t] seldom occur at the end of words (the same can be said for [ch, sh]) and whether that might be a realistic linguistic feature. I've reposted my response below, and am keen to discus the matter broadly and fully. Ok, let's get a little technical. You can think of a syllable as having three parts: 1) onset: this is everything which comes before a vowel; 2) nucleus: this is the vowel or any sound which acts as a vowel; 3) coda: this is everything which comes after a vowel. Now, in terms of consonants, these will typically appear in the onset or coda (though they can form the nucleus). Most languages have both a) restrictions on how many consonants can be in an onset or coda, and b) the order in which they appear. Some languages completely forbid clusters—that is, more than one consonant in either onset or coda position—but if they allow more than one they have a tendency to order them in the same way. Basically, certain sounds must be nearer the vowel than others. It's based on a quality known as sonority, but we shan't bother with explaining that except to acknowledge it exists. There is a tendency to allow onsets to be more complex than codas. Typically all or most consonants can appear there and some clusters are allowed. Codas are more often either empty or have one of a restricted set of consonants, with clusters forbidden. Of course, many languages which flout these rules do exist, for example English, which allows clusters of three consonants in the onset and four in the coda, but it is not typical. (Indeed, Indo-European languages as a whole are typically more complex in their syllable structure than the average language.) So, when we look at the structure of Voynich words and see that [r, l] are very commonly found at the end but [k, t] are not, what we are observing (ASSUMING the surface patterns are linguistic) is a fact about what the underlying language permits in syllable codas. We can explain this by saying that [r, l] must have some phonological difference to [k, t]. Were you to suggest that [r, l] were nasals and [k, t] plosives, then you would have a similar situation to a number of languages which forbid obstruents but permit sonorants in codas. Likewise, the observation that [k, t] often appear at or near the beginning of words can be explained in a similar way. If you believe that [k, t] are plosives, then they have low sonority and typically always appear at the beginning of an onset before sounds with a higher sonority (sibilants are sometimes exceptional, so /s/ can appear in places like in English 'skip' and 'stone'). Those strings which appear before [k, t] in Voynich words: [o, qo, cho, che, cheo, etc] can be explained as separate syllables. The task of researchers is then not one of explaining how [k, t] work, but why the syllables within a word are structured as they are. Sorry if this answer is a bit long-winded, but hopefully it is helpful to thinking about the possible linguistic features of Voynich words. It is my belief that a linguistic analysis, ignoring the origins of the script, the illustrations, and even the potential meaning of the text, could well solve the Voynich manuscript. At the very least it provides us with a framework for assessing both the text and potential solutions. First Previous Next Last