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| Vords and Images |
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Posted by: Dobri - 11-04-2025, 08:11 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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What if the meaning (if any) of some vords could be deduced by observing them several times next to images depicting similar concepts in distinct folios?
For example, the vord root dairol can be found 4 times as follows:
- podairol in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (an overhead view of a flower in a flowering plant);
- dairol in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (an overhead reference sheet of a person's head); and
- ydairol and dairoldy in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (two overhead views of bathing nymphs).
Therefore, one could possibly interpret the meaning of dairol as an overhead view, or one of its multiple synonyms like aerial view, bird's eye view, elevated view, etc.
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| Announcing Voynich Manuscript Day 2025 |
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Posted by: Koen G - 08-04-2025, 12:16 PM - Forum: News
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Dear all,
Last year, it was decided to celebrate Voynich Manuscript Day (VMD) on 4 August, which is 04-08 in the international date format, a reference to Beinecke MS 408. Today is "reverse" VMD, so what better moment to announce this year's edition?
I got together with a couple of volunteers to come up with a plan for the day:
Date: Sunday 3 August
Time: 12:00-17:00 CEST
Place: I will host a Zoom meeting.
The types of activities will be similar to last year, but we also want to try something new. Here is what we have in mind:
- Four or five presentations of the kind we had last year: slightly more serious research, but it doesn't have to be "conference level". If you want to do a presentation about your Voynich research, simply send me a proposal and we will agree on a time slot that works for you. The deadline for proposals is June 1st. If there are too many submissions, the jury (which does not include me) will make a selection. If you are selected for a presentation, you may either send me a pre-recorded video or do a live presentation.
- As a new experiment this year, we want to open a number of 10-minute slots that can be reserved at a first come, first served basis. Want to tell everyone about your theory? Reserve a slot and it's yours. Want ten minutes to talk about your favorite nymph? Teach us about a useful research tool? Suggest research topics? Just reserve a slot. Anything goes, as long as it's Voynich-related and within the realm of decency. I will make a thread about these next week.
- Anything else. Last year, we had Lissu's Voynich-inspired music, Cary's Voynich art, Rene's method for turning Voynichese into song... I hope we will get to see some more of this in 2025, artistic or otherwise.
This is meant as a general frame to work with. If you have any other ideas or suggestions, don't hesitate to discuss them in this thread.
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| Glyph Breaker? |
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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 07-04-2025, 02:03 PM - Forum: News
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The following article appeared on my Google feed and I thought it might be of interest to others, although I confess that I haven't read it->
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| Grammatical Gender |
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Posted by: Dobri - 04-04-2025, 08:12 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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It came to my mind that even if the vords in the cypher manuscript would be hard to decode,
perhaps a combinatorial analysis of prospective grammatical gender would give a limited number of comparative grammatical gender tables for further analysis.
For example it is tempting to think of the text as Greek-like because of the common prefix 'o' (nominative masculine definitive article) but this is also equally deceptive if 'o' is something else entirely.
Therefore, I would like to invite the Voynich Ninja members to share in this thread their thoughts on the grammatical gender system of the cypher manuscript.
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| Special Rules |
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Posted by: Koen G - 01-04-2025, 05:04 PM - Forum: Curated threads
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The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. promote general good behavior on the forum (no flaming, no spamming...). However, over the years the need has arisen to introduce some specific additional rules. These rules seek to maintain the balance between freedom of expression for all and a positive user experience.
1. You are welcome to discuss your theory, but keep it in a single thread.
Why is this rule necessary? Some people are enthusiastic about their theories or solutions, and they want to share them in as many places as possible. So they will make a bunch of new threads, or derail existing discussions. Therefore, all theories, translations... should be discussed in their own threads.
2. Clearly mention if (part of) your post was AI-generated.
We are seeing a rise of AI applications, or at least services marketed as such. These can be a great tool in your research, but they also pose challenges. The use of various kinds of AI is permitted on the forum, under the condition that AI-generated content is flagged as such.
Not a rule, but some advice on the use of AI: - LLM's like ChatGPT are trained on vast amounts of data scraped off the internet. They use this data to predict a word in a sentence, and then the next word and the next. You can think of the LLM as taking an average of what the internet says about a subject and then generating a human-like text response to your question. It has no consciousness and does not reason - it just generates human language. The data it has on a niche subject like the VM is limited, and often conflicting or of questionable quality. So will be its answers.
- ChatGPT is easy to manipulate. It took me only one question to make it explain why (very serious) Voynich researcher Rene Zandbergen believes the MS was made by aliens (he doesn't). It will happily confirm a bad Voynich theory because, once again, it doesn't think.
- Even about "regular" subjects, LLM's often hallucinate, make stuff op.
- ChatGPT is especially bad at solving ciphers, and it will feed you fake solutions with great confidence.
Therefore, it is always a good idea to confirm what chatbots tell you before sharing it with others. Either by finding the information in a separate source, or by testing a solution yourself. We understand that not everyone is able to do this, and it doesn't apply to all situations, so this is a suggestion rather than a rule.
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Fresh Approaches to Deciphering the Voynich Manuscript – Open for Collaboration |
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Posted by: njlopespawn - 31-03-2025, 08:12 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Hello Voynich Enthusiasts,
I've been captivated by the mystery of the Voynich Manuscript and wanted to share some unconventional ideas that might inspire new perspectives. Here's a summary of my thoughts and approaches:
1. **Reverse Text Analysis**: By analyzing the manuscript backwards—reading from the end to the beginning—hidden patterns or alternative sequences might emerge. This could involve reversing sentences, words, or even sections.
2. **Correlating Text with Illustrations**: A focused investigation into patterns or keywords related to the manuscript's illustrations could provide context. Linking the text to visual elements (e.g., plants or celestial diagrams) might clarify its meaning.
3. **Space-Filling Hypothesis**: The manuscript may deliberately avoid "empty spaces," densely filling every possible area with text. This unique structure could mask hidden messages and challenge traditional text layouts.
4. **Exploring Overlapping Layers**: Advanced imaging techniques, such as ultraviolet or infrared scans, could reveal hidden layers beneath the visible text or illustrations. These layers might contain crucial clues.
5. **Digital Simulation of Text Layout**: A digital model of the manuscript could simulate alternative reading sequences—such as reverse, vertical, diagonal, or even nonlinear paths. This simulation might uncover new insights.
I believe fresh perspectives and collaboration are key to unraveling this enigmatic manuscript. If anyone has tried similar methods or would like to explore these ideas further, I’d love to hear your thoughts and insights!
Best regards,
Néstor
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