I noticed that on bifolio 104v-115r on sections 2 and 4, ink was applied, which are not found in color on other pages. On site 3, in the process of writing quality of writing letters worsens , either the ink in the ink tank dried up, or the feather worn out. Finding such ink supports the version that the text was written before stitching.
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I decided to intersecting the words of the text on this bifolio. V (tx) - the amount of text on the pages. N - is the number of identical words. N (un) - the number of unique words on the page. N (U) - is the number of intersecting words, taking into account the repetition on the corresponding page. It is necessary to introduce the term V (∩) volume of overlapping information. This ratio is N (U) / V (tx), expressed as a percentage. [font=Tahoma, sans-serif] V(tx) N(un) N N(υ) V(∩)
[/font] 104V 458 64=14,0% 93 207 45,2% [font=Tahoma, sans-serif]115R 444 64=14,4% 93 206 46,4%[/font] The flip side of this bifolio gives results worse. [font=Tahoma, sans-serif] V(tx) N(un) N N(υ) V(∩)
[/font] 104R 438 74=16,9% 80 158 36,1% 115V 399 74=18,5% 80 137 34,3%
114V/115R V(tx)=362/444 N=74 N(υ) =133/160 V(∩) = 36,7/36,0% 104V/105R V(tx)=458/370 N=60 N(υ) =142/120 V(∩) = 31,0/32,4% 103V/104R V(tx)=450/438 N=67 N(υ) =196/147 V(∩) = 43,6/33/5% [font=Tahoma, sans-serif]104R/104V V(tx)=438/458 N=73 N(υ) = 153/178 V(∩) = 34,9/38,9%[/font] Even higher results for bifolio 78V-81R, where the left and right pages are connected by pipes. [font=Tahoma, sans-serif] V(tx) N(un) N N(υ) V(∩)
[/font] 78V 292 13=4,45% 53 157 53,8% [font=Tahoma, sans-serif]81R 207 14=6,76% 53 112 54,1%[/font]
A high result (albeit a little lower), in bifolio 79v-80r, where stitching is done. [font=Tahoma, sans-serif] V(tx) N(un) N N(υ) V(∩)
[/font] 79V 355 35=9,86% 66 169 47,6% [font=Tahoma, sans-serif]80R 441 44=10.0% 66 225 51,0%[/font]
I did about 40 comparisons, from Pn = n! = 204! The minimum V (∩) I received
[font=Tahoma, sans-serif] 1R/104VV(tx)=210/458 N=28 N(υ) =58/56 V(∩) =27,6/12,2% 49V/104VV(tx)=142/458 N=22 N(υ) =42/46 V(∩) =29,6/10,0% [/font] But here V (tx) can exert a great influence.
So apparently there's a Japanese manga called The Voynich Hotel.
Synopsis:
"Welcome to the Voynich Hotel, a rundown resort located on an all but deserted island in the South Pacific. Owned by former Mexican wrestler Kandre Umeda, the hotel is maintained by two mysterious maids, Elena and Beluna, as well as a homicidal chef named Amelia.
Kuzuki Taizou, a Japanese tourist, comes to stay at the hotel to escape from his dark past. Soon he discovers that the strange occupants and happenings of the island are even more abnormal than what he is used to. Taizou quickly becomes embroiled in the spiderweb of affairs on the island, growing close to many of the residents and helping them out, though often causing even more problems for himself. But when Taizou's past comes to the island to haunt him, his new friends jump to his aid." (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
So far, there are only fan-made translations (for example You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ; the texts are translated but the layout is still right to left, so takes some getting used to) but it has been licensed to Seven Seas Entertainment who will be releasing an official English language version in June 2018.
I don't really know if any part of it has anything to do with the manuscript, but perhaps that gets revealed in one of the chapters.
I finished uploading the interview with Adam Lewis, who is writing his You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on the subject of Voynich research. I trimmed down the video to about 25 minutes, for a more streamlined viewing experience. This time I had to do the interview without David so please don't make fun of me
So, here is a major omission on my part in not posting the comparative counting of the undulations for VMs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the Oresme cosmos (BNF fr. 565)
Original comparison by E. Velinska in 2014.
This nice comparison posted to an earlier thread by nablator.
Having 43 undulations in both illustrations is either a highly unusual coincidence or a strong indication that the VMs artist was very familiar with the illustration in the Oresme text.
Comparative points of similarity:
Same type or style of cosmos: a simplified version rather than the more common complex representation with all the concentric planetary orbits.
Similar comparative parts.
1. The central Earth is an inverted T-O representation
2. The Earth is surrounded by stars
3. The cosmos is bounded by a cloud band or nebuly line consisting of 43 undulations. There is an etymological equivalence between the words "nebuly" and "cloudy."
Does the VMs cosmos 'mimic' or derive from the Oresme illustration?
Comparative points of difference:
1. The T-O earth in Oresme has a pictorial representation. In the VMs, the representation has labels.
2. The stars in Oresme are scattered. In the VMs, the stars are line up in a circle. (Is this serious, or a play on the idea of "surrounded"?)
3. The visual differences between the Oresme cloud band and the VMs nebuly line are obvious.
4. The VMs cosmos has a circular wheel and curved spokes consisting of textual banners. (Textual banners are ephemeral. This is the big fake out- a total distraction for the sake of visual difference.)
The structural similarities confirm that the VMs cosmic representation was derived from the Oresme image. The differences are part of an intentional disguise by the VMs creator.
I'm not sure whether to post here, or to ask the moderators for a whole category called 'History of Voynich Studies' or something of that kind.
Time-lines are so important in my work that I may over-estimate their importance for other people, but I do like to have such things in order so that I can read from beginning to end to see how a theme has been developed, distorted, done justice (or not) over time.
As far as I know, these are the only mentions of matters related to any 'Cuman theme' (not 'theory') in Voynich studies . If members can add items of which I'm ignorant, please do.
If the moderators want to re-locate the thread, that's fine.
----- 2004. First 'Cuman-related' item. Not sure what got Leonard Fox onto that track, but on November 6th. of that year he wrote to the Jim's [first] Voynich mailing list about his own friend and colleague Peter Golden who had already written several essays on the Codex Cumanicus and who had already pointed out that the text's Turkic language was "quite closely related to Karaim"... 'Karaim' is how Golden and Fox speak of the Karaite dialect spoken by Jews of the Crimea. Fox said in that message that he could confirm the the similarity, because Karaim (or Karaite) was the language of his own childhood.
In 2004, Fox already had a completed English translation of Simon Szyszman’s book “Le Karaisme: ses doctrines et son histoire,” but was looking for a translator.
2011/12. I spoke about Cuman before 2012, and about Karaites from rougly that time, but elsewhere. 2012 is the first mention on my Voynichimagery blog. There are 13 posts which come up if you search 'Cuman' though they'll all be in the context of historical and cultural background clarifying the implications of the imagery or my reading of it.
2016. Koen tells me that Emma referred to the Codex Cumanicus in Feb. 2016, while talking more generally about language-groups and Turkic languages in connection with the structures of the Vms text.
2014-2018. The video by the Turkish family says they've been working on the text for four years. (Video published, unbeknownst to me, on Feb.22nd)
Feb 27th. 2018: My post goes up saying, "my opinion is that the language is very likely Cuman and the script quite likely derived from Uyghur script, influenced by others which I think include Sephardi script." A few days earlier, on another blog, I'd quoted a passage from a letter written by a Catalan Franciscan during the first half of the fourteenth century.
Feb. 28th.2018 Nick Pelling posts the Turkish gentleman's video with some others which, altogether, left a less pleasant taste.
March 1st. 2018: Conversation gets going at Voynich ninja, in a post called 'Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript'.
As a personal note: I'm rarely excited by ideas asserted by members of a group already united by bonds of friendship, earlier collaboration, or common adherence to a theory. In this case we have four people, three highly competent in the historical lingusitics side of Turkish/Cuman/Karaim and me, who has come to the same view by a very different route through contextualising and analysing the Voynich imagery. None of us has worked with the other; none of us has a theory-in-common that we're all trying to promote. None of us (so far as I know) has any private correspondence with the other. And, to top it off, Cuman/Old Turkish/Karaim is far from what anyone would expect to occur, given the century-old ideas still so pervasive.
Four people well qualified, reaching the same general point of view without communicating with each other and (as it would seem) without even knowing what the other was doing. Well, I like it.
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Earlier today I could read the article (right now I get an error) . It stated that a one-page translation had been accomplished and that it would take two years to translate the rest.
No details, but it (the VM) seemed to be Turkish.
Even though I think this attempt won't hold water, it will be interesting to see some details.
Hello! Sorry for the English (use google translator):
* If in the 3rd ring (counting from the center) there are 18 symbols (which are repeated 4 times) (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) and assigned numbers from 0 to 17, a significant number appears in the 1st ring: 531 (at the height of the neck of the man with the face that does not hold anything in the hand)
531/18 = 29.5 → moon synodic period
18 → lunar months
531 → days corresponding to the 18 lunar months. Period in which 4 total solar eclipses or 4 total lunar eclipses can occur, a quartet of total eclipses at regular intervals of 6 lunar months
* As I understand, in the fifteenth century (in 1493-1494) there were 4 total lunar eclipses in 2 years, every 6 months (tetrad)
* In the central drawing there are 4 men, 2 of them hide → eclipse?
* The stretched arms can symbolize a sun-earth-moon alignment (eclipse)
* The men who hide themselves have both arms stretched → tetrad of lunar eclipses?
f57v: Can it be a contraption related to the lunar cycle to predict eclipses, among other things?
A greeting!
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Hola! Perdón por el inglés (uso traductor de google):
* Si en el 3er anillo (contando desde el centro) hay 18 símbolos (que se repiten 4 veces) (ver You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) y se le asignan números del 0 al 17, aparece un número significativo en el 1er anillo: El 531 (a la altura del cuello del hombre con la cara vista que no sostiene nada en la mano)
531/18 = 29,5 → Periodo sinódico luna
18 → meses lunares
531 → días correspondientes a los 18 meses lunares. Periodo en el que pueden ocurrir 4 eclipses solares totales o 4 eclipses lunares totales, un cuarteto de eclipses totales en intervalos regulares de 6 meses lunares
* Según tengo entendido, en el siglo XV (en 1493-1494) hubo 4 eclipses lunares totales en 2 años, cada 6 meses (tétrada)
* En el dibujo central hay 4 hombres, 2 de ellos se ocultan → ¿eclipse?
* Los brazos estirados pueden simbolizar una alineación de sol-tierra- luna (eclipse)
* Los hombres que se ocultan tienen ambos brazos estirados → ¿tétrada de eclipses lunares?
f57v : ¿Puede tratarse de un artilugio relacionado con el ciclo lunar para predecir eclipses, entre otras cosas?
This Thursday, David and I will have a chat with Adam Lewis, a student at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma in Washington, who is writing a thesis entitled “An Anatomy of Failure: Analysis Attempts to Decode the Voynich Manuscript”.
If there is any question you'd like us to ask, you can post them in this thread.
I'd be glad to know if anyone has noticed this before so I can read their comments before doing more. Obviously vague ideas that it is 'not new' are no use. If you can, please add a name, link and/or quotation from the precedent if there is one.
Thanks
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