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| [split] Palaeography of f116v |
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Posted by: Aga Tentakulus - 12-02-2021, 06:27 AM - Forum: Marginalia
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I wanted to ask, have the linguists ever provided a description or a reasonable explanation about the texts on page 116? I would like to read about it.
Especially the Latin part. I understand the German part myself.
The meaning and translation should not be a problem for a linguist. And while he's at it, he could also contribute something about the origin.
That shouldn't be a problem, after all, it's your profession.
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| Thread for all discussion about "genuine/meaningless/fake" etc |
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Posted by: ReneZ - 11-02-2021, 12:31 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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EDIT KG: this thread was split from here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
As I wrote in another thread, I don't think it is a good idea to place people in camps like "believing the text is meaningful" and the opposite. This is always too simplistic, and it provides a tendency toward ad hominem argumentation.
At the very least, there will always be a 'neutral camp'. There are many people (myself included) who are still waiting for more evidence before being willing to make up their minds either way. Yet again, inside this 'camp', people may still have a tendency to prefer one way or the other.
I have not seen any conclusive evidence for either viewpoint. Bowern and Lindemann state their opinions, and so do Timm and Schinner on the other side. I cannot see much of a difference between the level of confidence between the two cases, nor on the strength of the evidence to support this confidence. In general, I would say that Bowern and Lindemann phrase their statement slightly more carefully.
The auto-copy theory does not equate with meaningless text. As I have made very clear in the past, I cannot see how the Voynich MS text can be the result of such a process. However, it can still be a meaningless text.
Most importantly, for me, is that it is not such a black-and-white question at all. I don't agree with the statement: "There exist exactly two possibilities: either the Voynich Manuscript contains linguistically meaningful information, or not."
It is not difficult to imagine how the text could be meaningful, with some amount of meaningless padding. I don't even want to begin guessing what could be possible ratios between the two.
There are clear suggestions of meaningful content and there are clear suggestions of meaningless behaviour in the MS. The "one theory that explains it all" is still missing.
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| Review on "The Linguistics of the Voynich Manuscript" |
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Posted by: Torsten - 11-02-2021, 01:19 AM - Forum: News
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There is an unpublished paper: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
by Torsten Timm and Dr. Andreas Schinner
In this paper we address severe deficiencies of a recent publication by Claire L. Bowern and Luke Lindemann on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. [Annual Review of Linguistics 2021 (7): 285-308].
Quote:During the last years, research on the Voynich Manuscript, a (most likely) medieval codex written in unique "cipher" script, has drifted into a problematic direction. Even articles in peer-reviewed academic journals sometimes neglect the basic principles of scientific methodology. A recent publication appears symptomatic for this questionable development.
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| Scribes of the Voynich Manuscript |
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Posted by: lurker - 06-02-2021, 01:23 PM - Forum: News
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Scribes of the Voynich Manuscript
Interview with Dr. Lisa Fagin Davis
There is a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and also a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
Abstract:
Quote:Our conversation focuses on the Voynich Manuscript, or Yale University, Beinecke Rare Book
and Manuscript Library, MS 408. This famously arcane manuscript remains undeciphered, or
what Dr. Davis calls an "irresistible mystery." But with the help of the DigiPal resource, Dr. Davis
has been able to draw conclusions about the scribes involved, without needing to read the text.
We also discuss the future of medieval studies in the digital age, including the most exciting
tools available for scholarship and public engagement.
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| Voynich documentary on the Travel Channel |
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Posted by: LisaFaginDavis - 02-02-2021, 01:53 PM - Forum: News
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Here's a new VMS documentary in the series "Hidden Relics" on the Travel Channel, with interviews from myself, Claire Bowern, Bill Sherman, and Richard Santacoloma. It turned out well, I think.
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You'll need to sign in with your cable provider to stream it.
- Lisa
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| VMs knew WHAT?!? |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 31-01-2021, 11:12 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Since vetted threads have yet to sprout, perhaps there are things that the VMs artist clearly needed to know in order to draw the illustrations found in the VMs today. What did this person know and see and transcribe in this text?
Feel free to contribute:
I'll lead off with heraldry: Heraldry was significant throughout the golden age of Burgundy. The jousts at Arras were historical. VMs heraldry is limited, subtle and disguised. It can barely be seen on the bathing tubs of VMs Pisces and the two Aries pages. A more specific and conclusive example can be seen through the identification of the nebuly line. The VMs artist's knowledge of the nebuly line is demonstrated by its use in the VMs Cosmos. The nebuly line is a cosmic boundary. It's all part of Social Media 1435 > of the years c. 1435.
Provenance of the Oresme cosmos is to the library of Jean, Duc du Berry (d. 1416). And one of the best examples of a nebuly line as a cosmic boundary in historical images is in the Berry Apocalypse, also belonging to the same duke. Of course, the books survived.
What else might the VMs artist have known? <<And skillfully have misrepresented in these illustrations.>>
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| New viewer online at the Beinecke! |
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Posted by: LisaFaginDavis - 28-01-2021, 04:50 PM - Forum: News
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Greetings, all,
You will likely be pleased to hear that the Beinecke launched a new digital repository today with a MUCH improved viewer that easily allows for downloading images or a PDF of a manuscript, sharing images in different shared-canvas viewers like Mirador, mirroring into other viewers using the IIIF manifest, and much more. Here's the new direct link for the VMS:
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Enjoy!
- Lisa
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