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Posted by: -JKP- - 13-05-2019, 03:14 AM - Forum: Imagery
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Okay, it took me 3 hours to gather all the pictures. Unfortunately, many of the better ones were on the stock photo sites, so I can't use those, and it took a long time to find others, but there were enough on Wikipedia to get the idea across.
I still have to paste them into a chart and label the chart, but as soon as I've done that I will add it to my 33r blog and make it live again. I'll drop a note when I'm done (I might take a break and have dinner in between).
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Text layout at the bottom of 75v |
Posted by: VViews - 10-05-2019, 02:33 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Hi everyone,
here are some questions I can't make up my mind about.
What exactly is going on with the text layout at the bottom of f75v?
Here's the part I'm referring to:
A paragraph begins with a pretty standard big gallows and "Por shey okain chedy kol sheol olchedy"... but after the seventh word the line is broken off.
Where does the text continue? To the right of the pool (kolkedy...) or to the left?
If to the left, which words are the continuation of that line, and which ones are labels?
What about the words in the three short lines in the bottom left corner:
okedy qeky tedar oly
solchedy solkedy
qokeedy qokol olkol
Are these considered as a standalone mini paragraph or are they the beginning of three lines of text that continue to the right of the pool?
Also, Voynichese.com's identification of some of the words to the left of the pool here as labels, but not all, is confusing.
Why are otal, opal, okeey and lol not counted as labels, when olol, to my eyes not different, is counted as a label?
How did Voynichese.com determine which ones of these words are labels or not?
There are probably no definitive answers, but I'm interested in hearing what you guys think about these questions.
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VMS = The “BOOK OF DUNSTAN” |
Posted by: Wladimir D - 09-05-2019, 11:03 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I think that it was not for nothing that I spent 5 hours of my life studying the work at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . I learned a lot of new things historically about Dee and Kelly.
Renee, what is your opinion on the history of events?
The original proposal for the appointment of “o” zero (regulatory) symbol.
But there are a number of questions to the author.
Surprisingly, the translation of the word daiin is the same for me and the author - plant!
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M. Yokubinas translation |
Posted by: -JKP- - 03-05-2019, 01:35 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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"The [Voynich] language is an agglutinative, phonetic form of defective Hebrew, and also uses some Greek words like yaya for grandmother."
--- M. Yokubinas
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I don't agree that the Latin "-ris" shape (EVA-m) resembles Hebrew thav. It's completely different. Even if you mirror it, it's not similar.
I also don't agree that the minims look like shin. I've looked at many many Hebrew manuscripts and I've never seen shin written like "ain".
I also don't think VMS "a" looks like samekh. Even if you mirror it, it isn't really the same.
I don't think the long-cee looks anything like yod.
The figure-8 letter (EVA-d) doesn't look like the sample, either. It has a long straight stem. And normally this letter does not have a loop (and when it does, it's usually more triangular, like the old Phoenician letters).
What the shapes represent is another issue, but as for shape similarities, I don't find them particularly similar.
Ignoring shapes for a moment, and just looking at the glyph dynamics, the author has equated Hebrew gimel to EVA-y (9 shape) but it seems unlikely that gimel would occur so frequently at the ends of words, sometimes at the beginning, but almost never anywhere else in a word.
This is gimel: ג and some words with gimel where the letter is within the word:
בגדים אגוז מלך מגבת אנגלית אגודל
It's essentially a substitution code with subjective interpretation for individual "alchemical" glyphs.
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Proposed solution by Agnieszka Kałużna & Jacek Syguła |
Posted by: davidjackson - 30-04-2019, 03:50 PM - Forum: News
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I received today, as part of an eclectic mix of selected recipients, an email announcing the solution of the voynich.
Assuming this is for public release, here's the link to the article, which I haven't yet read in any detail.
Quote:Dear Sirs,
On Saturday 27th of April 2019 we uploaded general solution to the VMS in the paper entitled "Breaking "The Flo(wer)urishing Code" of The Voynich Manuscript" at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.:
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We used spaces as functional entities and showed where the bits of information are hidden which allows on decoding of large parts of text of the VMS.
Enjoy !
Kindest Regards,
Agnieszka Kałużna & Jacek Syguła
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What Do We Need to Comfirm Stem? |
Posted by: ChenZheChina - 26-04-2019, 10:37 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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I was reading You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. when I thought about this question:
How can we make sure that a label is sharing stem with another word in paragraphs?
Consider words below:
- Pronounce (prə’naʊns) vs Pronunciation (prə,nʌnsi’eɪʃən)
- Explain (ɪks’pleɪn) vs Explanation (,ɛksplə’neɪʃən)
- Record (rɪ’kɔ:rd) vs Record (’rekərd)
What I want to say is that, it might not be that easy to consider the first two word pairs are actually of the same stem, if we do not know their real meanings in prior. If the last word pair is written not in this form, but in some phonetic spelling (like IPA), it might be not easy to tell them, either.
This reminds me something.
One day, one of my friends told me that, in English, some words change their tone when conjugating. Then he gave me an example, where repeat is split into rě (3rd tone) and pèat (4th tone), while repeated is split into rě (3rd tone), pēa (1st tone) and tèd (4th tone). (Warning: DO NOT take his statement serious. He really thinks so, but we all know that this is not how English actually works. This is just an example that how crazy phonetic spelling systems might be, if they were not designed scientifically)
If tones were not marked by diacritic marks but different letters, I guess it could be much harder to find stem from these words.
Therefore, I think it might be a tough mission to link those labels to “regular” words in paragraphs. It’s hard to prove them to be of same stem, if two words are not exactly the same.
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