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| Religious references |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 11-06-2024, 08:27 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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While some investigators have indicated a lack religious references in the VMs, there may be more than those two crosses first recognized as potential objects of reference to medieval religious beliefs, but their full interpretation remains unclear.
Something that goes unnoticed, because it is not present, is the 'absence' of planetary spheres in the VMs cosmos. What is revealed by this absence? The "scientific" knowledge of the planetary spheres is simply not presented.
This simplified structural representation of the universe is seen in the cosmic diagrams from BNF Fr. 565 and Harley 334, which share a (1400-1450) provenance that starts in Paris. The VMs artist adopts the cosmic structure, totally alters the appearance, and then plays hide and seek with the 43 undulations that match the 'Oresme' version from the BNF. It's as clear as the cosmic wheel that some level of deception has been used. The use of duality on VMs White Aries was intentional and the prior placement of the two tubs with the papelonny patterns was no accident.
The VMs cosmos shares the structure of the anti-scientific *Parisian* cosmic diagrams produced coincident with the VMs C-14 dating. After the French disaster at Avignon (1415), many noble families were headed by women. BNF Fr. 565 went to Marie de Berry who was Duchess of Auvergne.
Does the potentially anti-scientific VMs cosmic diagram indicate the possibility of a more pro-religious inclination for the VMs text in general?
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| Folio 78r Quire 13 binding anomolies |
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Posted by: Linguistics of Flowers - 11-06-2024, 12:33 AM - Forum: Physical material
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I am doing research on the binding anomalies in Quire 13, around Folio 78r. I thought someone did a paper on this subject... now can't find it. Can anyone help?
The translation I am working on references that the authors intentionally placed holes and possible rewove this section unusually. ???!!
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| Scientific Progress |
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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 09-06-2024, 06:57 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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There seems to be some debate as to how ideas move forward in research.
It seems to me what is crucial is people forming hypotheses and constructing theories that may not yet be completely proven. And that the competition between these competing theories leads some to be overturned and some integrated together to form a more complete theory.
I think the idea that knowledge is built up gradually layer upon layer is often not the case, though sometimes it happens like that.
It seems to be that hypotheses are formed and asserted by different people and that as evidence builds up, and so some hypotheses are then refuted.
When it comes to Voynich research I would suggest that having multiple theories is actually a good thing even if it may be frustrating at times. Clearly the stronger the evidence to support a given theory the better.
So I would question some peoples ideas as to how Voynich research should proceed.
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| Who is the author of VM? |
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Posted by: BessAgritianin - 07-06-2024, 06:28 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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Hello everybody!
You may believe me or not. (Since there are too many "translators" of the manuscript, if one tells the truth, nobody believes him.)
The author's name stays on the first foil of VM.
Anyone who believes to have translated the text should answer you this simple, simple question- who is the author?
If he/she does not answer it -be sceptical for the rest. I have asked several persons and- no answer at all.
Tell me what is your opinion- who is the author (not the writer/user) of the manuscript?
Be healthy and know, that the answer of this question will explain a lot!
I know the author, but will not disclose it until I may show the other things, that I have a translation of.
The Script is mostly in Moravian. There are other languages however too.
BR
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| Red Lips & Scallopshells |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 05-06-2024, 07:54 PM - Forum: Imagery
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No manipulation or imagination required. You may have to look closely, but generally it's true that most all illustrations of VMs nymphs show the application of red paint to their lips and/or faces.
If you're looking for a scallop-shell cloud band, the best VMs example is in the central rosette. Regular nebuly lines are much used in the VMs
Several historical examples of both motifs combined can be found.
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This source is interesting because of the specificity of its provenance, both in date and location. Plus, it drops right in at the beginning of the VMs C-14 timeline and it establishes a particular location - right in the heart of the French + German + Swiss => Burgundian historical florescence that would occur during this time. From cosmic diagrams to costmary and everything between, the art reveals the artist.
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| Voynich Talk E2 (2/2) |
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Posted by: Koen G - 02-06-2024, 07:52 PM - Forum: News
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The second part of the interview with Benedek Láng and Lev Kerály is available now: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
At the end of the talk, I asked them their opinion on the Voynich Manuscript, since I knew they both had at least an interest in it. Lev explains how he'd plan to approach the problem. Then Benedek, who researched historic ciphers in the context of his interest in the Rohonc Codex, explains why he believes the VM is not enciphered. We also talk about the Codex Seraphinianus and the question of meaning vs. meaninglessness. Note that this conversation was rather limited, since it came after the long Rohonc interview.
In the second part of the video, which I recorded today, I explain some of the terms not every viewer may be familiar with, like entropy, homophonic ciphers, polyalphabetic ciphers. I also demonstrate the effect of these cipher methods on entropy.
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| The Voynich Manuscript: A Non-Stochastic Glossolalia |
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Posted by: bi3mw - 02-06-2024, 01:59 PM - Forum: News
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The Voynich Manuscript: A Non-Stochastic Glossolalia
Joseph Fasano, Manhattanville University
Abstract: The mysterious fifteenth-century Voynich Manuscript has defied all attempts at a
“decoding” since its (re)discovery in 1912. Roger Bacon, Leonardo da Vinci, and all manner of
prominent figures have been theorized as its potential author(s). Attempts to understand the
Voynich script [VS] have largely focused on the decoding of a cipher, with the assumption that
VS is an encoded natural or constructed language. Those who reject the possibility of VS being
such a cipher have tended to dismiss it as “meaningless,” or “fake,” or “gibberish,” perhaps
‘simply’ the random outpourings of a glossolalia. However, this latter position has precluded the
robust study of another possibility. Through analysis of the ‘linguistic’ properties of glossolalia
experiences [GEs], this paper proposes that the unique linguistic properties of the Voynich script
are precisely the salient properties of GEs, and that therefore VS is a GE—perhaps the grandest,
most expansive, and most sustained ever preserved.
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