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Posted by: R. Sale - 05-06-2022, 10:47 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Rrrrriped from the pages of history.... It's new to me.
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It's interesting for several reasons. It fits the VMs C-14 chronology. Its geography is a reasonable possibility.
There were Sisters of the Common Life as well as Brothers. And it is noted in several articles that they were in the book trade. Plus they had their own linguistic dialect Ijssellands.
More likely, perhaps, than the Sisters of Rum (Ottoman and Sufi connections).
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| Word entropy in reverse direction |
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Posted by: Emma May Smith - 02-06-2022, 12:09 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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On this page of Rene's site (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) the conclusion is that Voynich words have similar entropies to comparator languages, but that the entropy is distributed differently. Specifically, there is less information at the start of a word but more toward the end.
My question is whether this conclusion is only for left to right reading or would be true when examined in either reading direction. What I mean is this: do Voynich words have more information specifically on the right hand side (so toward the end in normal reading direction) and less information on the left, or is it that any 4-gram within a word would have a higher level of information?
(I guess it is the latter, as many words are longer than 4 characters.)
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| Duns' cap |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 30-05-2022, 08:33 PM - Forum: Imagery
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An interesting bit of historical etymology I saw recently, that might connect with the VMs. As usual, the devil is in the details. So, let's look at the details and try to find the little devil. And there he is, on f67v1, in the lower right.
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It's the smiley face with the pointy hat.
John Duns Scotus, (d. 1308) was a medieval philosopher and theologian on a level with Aquinas and Ockham. Incidental to all that, he is known to have promoted a sort of long, conical hat - a "thinking cap". He taught at Oxford and Paris, then briefly at Cologne, before he died.
By the mid-1600s, he was somewhat too conservative and out of date. And this is when the change took place from Duns' cap to dunce cap. However, from the perspective of the VMs C-14 parchment dates, this change had not happened yet. So, the cap must be considered in a favorable interpretation, and potentially a subtle reference to Duns Scotus, himself.
A couple other points of potential connection. Duns Scotus was a Franciscan, as was Colette of Corbie, with her mystical ring and cross. And it is said that perhaps the most influential part of his theology was his defense of the immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary, herself. So, this is another item in the VMs that has a strong but subtle connection with the rising tide of Mariology that was happening throughout the early 1400s.
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| New Blog post: "Mysterious Steganography"- a Damning Observation |
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Posted by: proto57 - 27-05-2022, 03:58 PM - Forum: Provenance & history
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I've written a new blog post about a serious problem with the usually assumed provenance of the "Letters". It lies in the differential between what would have been "mysterious" and "unknown" to the men of the 17th century letters... Baresch, Marci, Moretus, Kinner, and Kircher... and what was still mysterious and unknown to scholars in 1912, when the Voynich was first announced to the world.
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Rich SantaColoma
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| Can you amend these few 'Latin' words? |
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Posted by: Ruby Novacna - 26-05-2022, 08:45 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Some years ago I suggested that the three words in line 7 of 116r "otedy totol rotydyotydy" should be read as the Latin words "obitus boba robustus", which I translated as "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.".
I'm not an expert in Latin, so I'm trying to learn from the manuscript.
If you have any knowledge of Latin, what do you think? Can this reading be made more accurate? Should we say robustis instead?
P.S. I don't claim that the whole text is written in Latin.
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| starting glyphs on paragraphs |
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Posted by: Juan_Sali - 24-05-2022, 02:21 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Most common starting glyphs on paragraphs are k and f. I consider that all the family of k is the same glyph, same for the family of f.
In my opinion both of them at starting of a paragraph are nulls in term of forming a monogram/bigram/trigram.
One option is that they indicate the language or the written text.
Is it possible a text analisys of the glyhs of paragraphs starting with k (excluding the starting k), then a text analisys of the glyhs of paragraphs starting with f (excluding the starting f)? Better if the analisys are separated by scribes.
And then chek if there are signifitative differencies between both of them.
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| New blog page |
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Posted by: Ruby Novacna - 22-05-2022, 05:09 PM - Forum: News
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Hello everyone!
I've just added a new page, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., to my Reading Voynich blog, where I've decided to collect all the words I've looked at up to now with my translation suggestions.
Happy reading!
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| Bigrams across uncertain spaces |
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Posted by: RobGea - 21-05-2022, 05:56 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Bigrams across uncertain spaces.
All errors are mine and there probably are some.
Extract text from ZL_ivtff_2a using IVTT: from Windows cmdline "ivtt -x7 -s0 -h0 ZL_ivtff_2a.txt ZL2adot-comma.txt"
text file contains : pure text, keep commas and dots, also keeps '?', '*' and @123; notation
Find all the commas denoting uncertain spaces, get EVA-character from either side of the comma, concatenate to form bigram i.e ('X,Y' = 'XY')
Find all the dots denoting certain spaces, get EVA-character from either side of the comma, concatenate to form bigram i.e ('X.Y' = 'XY')
Count them, Rank them, Simple stat them:
abs(Percentage divide) =
percentage occurrence of Comma-bigram, percentage occurrence of Dot-bigram, take which ever number is higher and divide by the lower
abs(Rank Comma - Rank Dot) =
Absolute value of the Comma bigram rank subtracted from the Dot bigram rank
Did the 'percent divide' and 'rank subtract' because it just makes it easier to spot the differences and provides a simple way to compare them.
Top12 shown here:
Code: Commas(X,Y) 2737 Total Dots(X.Y) 30890 Total abs(Percentage divide) abs(Rank Comma - Rank Dot)
Rank count bigram % Rank count bigram %
('R1', 285, 'ra', 10.413) ('R14', 730, 'ra', 2.363) 4.407 13
('R2', 147, 'lc', 5.371) ('R10', 1146, 'lc', 3.71) 1.448 8
('R2', 147, 'lk', 5.371) ('R33', 201, 'lk', 0.651) 8.25 31 --lk
('R4', 125, 'ls', 4.567) ('R15', 672, 'ls', 2.175) 2.1 11
('R5', 119, 'sa', 4.348) ('R28', 245, 'sa', 0.793) 5.483 23
('R6', 101, 'yk', 3.69) ('R18', 443, 'yk', 1.434) 2.573 12
('R7', 93, 'ol', 3.398) ('R39', 118, 'ol', 0.382) 8.895 32 --ol
('R8', 90, 'ld', 3.288) ('R17', 569, 'ld', 1.842) 1.785 9
('R9', 83, 'ro', 3.033) ('R6', 1355, 'ro', 4.387) 1.446 3
('R10', 78, 'lo', 2.85) ('R11', 996, 'lo', 3.224) 1.131 1
('R11', 73, 'yd', 2.667) ('R7', 1275, 'yd', 4.128) 1.548 4
('R12', 68, 'yt', 2.484) ('R23', 312, 'yt', 1.01) 2.459 11
('R12', 68, 'ok', 2.484) ('R52', 65, 'ok', 0.21) 11.829 40 --ok
Observations:
the 'o<character>' family turn up a lot with high abs(Rank subtract) scores ; ol, ok, or,oa,ot
The bigram 'lg' has the highest abs(Rank subtract) score:
comma dot
('R58', 5, 'lg', 0.183) ('R206', 1, 'lg', 0.003) 61.0 148 --lg
One conclusion is that at least some of those 'l,g' bigrams are real bigrams and any apparent space is a scribal artifact.
Questions:
What does it mean when the Dot-bigram occurrence percentage is higher than the Comma-bigram occurrence percentage? e.g
('R38', 15, 'yo', 0.548) ('R2', 2687, 'yo', 8.699) 15.874 36
Data attached:
bigrams_un-certain_spaces.txt (Size: 10.34 KB / Downloads: 31)
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