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It is perhaps the most significant artifact documenting the arrival of Jews in the New World: a small, tattered 16th-century manuscript written in an almost microscopic hand by Luis de Carvajal the Younger, the man whose life and pain it chronicled.
I have looked this over for a couple of days and I see a hidden message in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The first 3 nymphs from left to right use their bodies for letters, then the next six nymphs letters are used. I'm not certain this is the message, but it does make sense and relates to History. The message is, "hELD TITLES LILL"
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With the advent of 2017, I decided to have a look back at the small-plants section, where I started my Voynich research about a year ago. After many months spent almost exclusively looking at nymphs, it was a bit strange to see "my plants", as I somewhat affectionately call these monsters, back.
I couldn't help but sense how this section, just like the large plants, breathes a completely different atmosphere than the nymphy sections. It is almost as if the only thing connecting them is the script, and the fact that they are bound in the same book. And above all, perhaps, a decent amount of Voynich special sauce.
This special sauce, in this section, appears to be the fact that the plants are not what they seem at first sight. Others before me have noted a number of examples: the elephant leaf, the faces in the roots of two plants, the one that looks like a claw, the one with the snake in the root...
I like these obvious examples, because they show beyond any doubt that non-botanical images have been worked into the plants, for whatever reason.
Then, about a years ago, I dug deeper. I noticed that especially the f89 foldout contained a high concentration of non-botanical imagery, which I believe relate to various mythological figures and creatures.
Now, a couple of days ago, I had a closer look at the preceding page, f88 (both sides). I wasn't expecting anything special, just a "random" hidden image in some plants. But I am becoming more certain that the f88 hidden images also have a theme: animals.
For example, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , have a look at these three:
Octopus with eight arms and suction pods:
Another kind of octopus or squid:
A jellyfish?
On the revers, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , there is the hind part of a monkey:
The animal theme also blends over into the adjacent foldout, where we find a rearing cobra:
A snake, two animals in the leaves, a fishy tail...:
Those are the obvious examples, they are the evidence I use as a base to launch the hypothesis that the plants on f88 are drawn to include animal parts. The other plants are more cryptic though, so I was hoping if anyone saw something else in them. For example, there is this one which looks like a spine (of a fish?):
This one looks like a quadruped animal with antlers ??
Two wings that are crossed for some reason?
A fish tail or fox tails??
This thing is intriguing as well. Beneath the paint it looks scaly or hairy:
And what to make of something like this, which clearly looks sculpted and twisted somehow to make a certain shape, but what is it?
One last intriguing bit. Several plants have been hit hard by the "heavy painter", obscuring the line work or any writing below, and on at least one plant apparent writing is visible:
Let us assume a set of rules for the VMS where you get another word of the manuscript by applying a rule to another word: - The most basic rule is that a glyph can be replaced with a similar shaped glyph. For instance for a word containing t most probably also a word containing k instead of t exists. Because of this rule you can expect beside the word qotol also the wordqokol.
- A second rule is that nearly every glyph can be removed. Because of this rule you can expect beside the words qokol also the words okol, kol and ol. - A third more complex rule is that you can add a glyph at the beginning of a word. For instance it is possible to add an o in front of a common word. In this case the letter next to o is in round about eight out of ten cases replaced with a gallow glyph. Because of this rule you can find beside chedy also words like okedy, otedy, qokedy and qotedy. But since o or o+gallow is sometimes added without removing the next glyph also the word ochedy and okchedy exists.
Beside this three rules some more rules exists. For instance a word can be duplicated. Because of this rule beside the word dy also the word dydy and dydydy exists in the VMS. But in this post I only want to demonstrate that with the first three rules are good way to describe the words in the VMS. For this purpose I will use the most frequent words daiin, ol and chedy as example. (For calculating the word frequencies I use the transcription of Takeshi Takahashi.)
For the most frequently used word daiin it is possible to build a tree of similar words starting with o- or qo-. The frequencies for this words are very characteristic:
Level 1: daiin (863 times)
Level 2: okaiin (212 times) | otaiin (154) | odaiin (60) Level 3: qokaiin (262 times), kaiin (65) | qotaiin ( 79), taiin (42) | qodaiin (42) There are more words starting with ok- or ot- then with od- and the word starting with qok- is even more frequent then the word starting with ok.
Surprisingly the same characteristic pattern can also be found for words similar to chedy:
Level 1: chedy (510 times)
Level 2: okedy (118 times) | otedy (155) | ochedy (8) Level 3: qokedy (272 times), kedy (44) | qotedy ( 91), tedy (42) | qochedy (2)
For the word ol the o is not replaced with a gallow glyph. Instead ok- or ot- was added in this cases.
Beside this specific feature the tree for ol also shares the same characteristic:
Level 1: ol (537 times)
Level 2: okol ( 82 times) | otol (86) | ool (-) Level 3: qokol (104 times), kol (37) | qotol (47), tol (48) | qool (4)
It is possible to find this pattern also for other words if they are frequently enough that also variants starting with qo- and o- exists for them. Here is a list of words I have checked so far:
Words similar to dy and chdy:
Level 1: dy (270 times)
Level 2: oky (102 times) | oty (115) | ody (47)
Level 3: qoky (147 times), ky (25) | qoty ( 87), ty (16) | qody (17)
Words similar to dam, dar, chol and char:
Level 1: dam (98 times)
Level 2: okam (26 times) | otam (47) | odam (6)
Level 3: qokam (25 times), kam (9) | qotam (12), tam (5) | qodam (3)
What does this mean? It is possible to describe the words in the VMS by there relations. With the rules found it is not only possible to predict the existence of a word it is also possible to predict the frequency of a word.
One of the things one learns (preferably) soon after entering the online Voynich world, is that speculation is a bad guide. We only speak confidently about those things for which we believe there is evidence, and make sure to express our uncertainty when there isn't.
Speculating is fun, though, when it is clearly separated from evidence-based analyses. I thought it would be interesting to determine, by a set of questions, which beliefs are currently (i.e. at the beginning of 2017) held by the community.
Then, at the end of 2017, we answer the same questions again. Like that we can see how a new year of research has influenced our personal beliefs on the one hand, and those of the community on the other. I'd find it very interesting to be able to keep a finger at the pulse of the community. Which ideas are held, and do these evolve over time?
Rules
Everybody who was a member of the forum in 2016 is encouraged to participate.
For Yes/No questions, answer the most likely. If you give "yes" 51% chance, then answer "yes".
For the few open questions, again answer what you find most likely. If you really can't think of anything, "I don't know" is allowed as well.
This thread will be closed at the end of January. At the end of the year or in January 2018, we will run the questions again and see if anything changed.
Please answer in a numbered list!!! to avoid confusion.
If you want to participate but don't want your answers posted publicly, you can always PM your list to me and I will post it in a thread in the mods forum (for control). Like that only the mods will ever see your answers. Sharing your answers here in this thread is encouraged of course.
The more participants, the better: we want the entire community to be reflected. So don't hesitate to participate!
Yes/No questions::
Does the text contain any meaning?
Has the text been purposefully enciphered to conceal its meaning?
Do the images match the text?
Are the plants meant to refer to real plants?
Is the majority of the plants exotic from a European perspective (Asian, African, American...)?
Have the images been made ambiguous or otherwise strange to conceal their true meaning?
Is alchemy an important part of the manuscript?
Is astronomy and/or astrology an important part of the MS?
Is medicine an important part of the MS?
Is the MS the creative product of one mind, i.e. an author? (Taking into account the possibility that one or more scribes helped to fashion the physical manuscript)
Is the MS authored by a known historical figure?
Will we ever be able to read the MS?
Will there be any breakthrough in Voynich studies in 2017?
Is the MS any kind of hoax?
Open questions:
In a few words, what is quire 13 about? (bathing, anatomy, angels......)
In a few words, what is quire 20 about?
If we were able to read the script, which language(s) would we read, if any?
Quote:If it is indeed true that Marci had forgotten almost everything only one and a half year after he wrote that letter, then this is important evidence, and it should concern everyone genuinely interested in the truth.
This part of history has been researched extensively and most of the evidence is freely available and well known. Other items of interest are not so well known, e.g. the reasonably extensive literature on Marci, the text of his last will, ...
That Marci's memory was defective in 1665 is clearly contradicted by evidence. Most of this can be found on my web site. (I have always made a point of avoiding reference to my web site in every second post, but here it is the most appropriate thing to do).
The letter from Kinner that has been mentioned says a bit more than just that Marci lost memory of nearly everything. From Philip Neal's translation:
Quote:Dominus Marcus has lost his memory of nearly everything but still remembers you. He very officially bids me salute you in his name and he wishes to know through me whether you have yet proved an Oedipus in solving that book which he sent via the Father Provincial last year and what mysteries you think it may contain. It will be a great solace to him if you are able to satisfy his curiosity on this point.
Maybe it doesn't look so bad after all.
What also wasn't mentioned is that one year earlier, just a few months after Marci sent the book and the letter, there was already a letter from Kinner to Kircher with basically the same question, but no reference at all to any memory problems of Marci.
Of course this problem had already been considered and analysed in the several publications of this part of history. The very brief summary You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
Quote:As concerns Marci, the Voynich MS was something that had deeply interested him (and his close friend as we shall see below) since many decades. All details in the Marci letter that could be verified have turned out to be correct: his inheritance of books from the previous owner of the MS, the fact that this previous owner had written to Kircher, and the fact that Dr.Raphael was a tutor to Ferdinand III You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. We may safely trust that he correctly remembered Mnišovský's words.
Many of the things that Marci writes in his letter to Kircher are corroborated by independent references. His memory is perfectly in order.
Some folios are missing which may have been wheels like You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. or abstract tables.
Setup using the 57v cipher Wheel:
Condition:
1) Invented language for the VMS.
Condition:
2) The cipher wheel in folio 57v in which four dials are set to different lengths along with four different concentric circles.
a) Yes, you have the regular cipher wheel of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with all the VMS glyph s as in its current form in 2d, but the trick is you have to make it 3d.
Down Side How to build the missing wheel? So when you turn the dials and concentric circles words are formed mapped to the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.!
Hypothetical:
The missing wheel may have had numbers assigned to it with a alphabet, but how do you make a wheel with the most used affix's and suffix's and normal letters so when you turn the dials to desired positions VMS glyph s are appropriately mapped to the VMS words or glyph s? At the same time, how do you make it not so obvious as part of the Cipher but to the Author very easy to instantly reconstruct his own cipher wheels?
Furthermore, extra missing wheels would not be placed in order in the VMS, but clues would point the way to how numbers and words were equal. The missing wheels would use abstract information to disguise itself; as Julian would say maybe a puzzle within a puzzle! These missing wheels are formed like abstract Pi Charts with numbers and glyphs at various locations. Maybe even 90°cutaways and charts with various numbers and perhaps VMS art work as in pipes to point a trail of how to use the dials of the missing wheels that you build in 3d.
What I'm getting at is someone took the missing wheels out of the VMS which look like or connect to to folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. either abstract or complex. Or this idea next.
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[font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]The outer ring of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. contains about 51 VMS vords combined in total with a small set of VMS glyph's. [/font] [font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]Next Ring in from outer contains 46 VMS glyphs that are normal! [/font][font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]Do you notice the one abstract glyph that has a Right Angle with a degree sign and open triangle at 45[/font][font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif][font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]°pointed down. This maybe suggesting a dial to point at 45[font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]° and the other to 90[font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]° and when you close the dials the glyph's make sense; then as you close them together at one degree or degrees to each glyph. Just a thought but how to apply a trigonometric function? The dials are used to form words along with Geometry? By the way 45 and 90 = You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
Next Ring closing in on the 4 people are 30 vms words and some glyph s combined
Next Ring to the 4 people equals 31 glyph s combined with vords.
The total of sole glyphs and vords in the rings is 158 which equals You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. not counting the vords next insided circle with the 4 people. or the very outer single vord and if you count the total number of these words its a 9. SEE SOLOMON'S Key below.
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Make a 3d map of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. then place four dials on it and make the four circles which turn too. Next use Euclidean Geometry or Trigonometry for the 4 similar wavy P glyph s as degree markers that are set to 90[font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]°; then use the four different dial lengths and turn them. You see the three empty 360[font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]° spaces, fill that with numbers and Latin letters A=1 through Z=26 which follow ordinal Gematria. Next add some common Latin affix's and suffix's as-well as English in another circle, but you have to place them in there at what degrees? We could have 3 different languages so the count would be 72 letters of the Latin alphabet + what number of compound words, added next to VMS vords, in the empty circles placed at certain glyph or degree markers. Now spin the wheel and the dials and play the lotto then look at where the dials and wheels end up. Do they make words correlated to VMS words my guess is no that is like a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. test. So now make a word if you can then look it up in this calculator. Deliberately point the dials through the VMS glyphs to Latin letters and the dials that go through a VMS glyph or word which equals a common English affix, suffix or Latin letter. [/font][/font][/font]
[font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif][font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif][font=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]Or just go to my Cipher and place the Latin letters and or compound words in the empty circles of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. next to Glyph s and vords which the dial reads the same as my cipher with associated Gematria Number as in A=1 through Z=26.[/font][/font][/font]
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Quote:Chart and Sigils from a Greek Key of Solomon ~15th century Sacred Geometry Spiritual Symbolism, Key Of Solomon, Solomon Seals Symbols, Solomon Magick, Keys
In a recent posting, an image of the Zodiac man contained certain commentary with words such as 'cholera' and 'melancholia', in which the final letter 'a' had a significant tail underneath that much resembled the shape of the number '9'. This is also a shape that has a similarity to one of the VMs symbols, sometimes transcribed as '9', but is also found in the 4 x 17 Symbol Sequence of VMs f 57v, as Symbol #15, transcribed as EVA letter 'y'.
In prior investigations of the 4 x 17 sequence, [Triple Convergence], I had suggest that there are three ways to interpret the fifth symbol of the sequence. They are 1) as the Greek letter lambda, 2) as the medieval form of the number '7', and 3) as the Roman numeral V = 5, inverted.
In addition, each of these interpretations is confirmed by a form of objective placement. In the example of the fifth symbol as lambda, the first symbol of the sequence, EVA letter 'o', interpreted as the Greek letter omicron, is placed in the proper sequential relationship as it would be in the Greek alphabet, with three symbols in between, if reading Greek from right to left.
Now, if one takes Symbol #15, with its various interpretations, and substitutes a potential interpretation as the letter 'a' and then takes the Greek alphabet as set down by the letters omicron and lambda, and then continues to move onward to the right through the Greek alphabet toward alpha, well, guess what? [Bingo, bango, bongo!] The count lands on Symbol #15. A new objective, position-based confirmation of the Greek alphabet interpretation.
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