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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 444 online users. » 6 Member(s) | 436 Guest(s) Bing, Google, dfs346, Gregor, kckluge, Mauro, VoyBear Latest Threads Voynich manuscript is dec... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: i_want_links_damit 2 hours ago » Replies: 41 » Views: 23,844 [split] Aga Tentakulus' L... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Bluetoes101 7 hours ago » Replies: 43 » Views: 15,077 Favorite Plant Tournament... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Bluetoes101 7 hours ago » Replies: 2 » Views: 202 Favorite Plant Tournament... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Koen G 8 hours ago » Replies: 1 » Views: 167 Month names collection / ... Forum: Marginalia Last Post: R. Sale 10 hours ago » Replies: 94 » Views: 4,139 VM Materials origin Forum: Physical material Last Post: magnesium Yesterday, 07:52 PM » Replies: 1 » Views: 45 I've deciphered the Voyni... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: oshfdk Yesterday, 10:22 AM » Replies: 83 » Views: 3,089 Need advice for testing o... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Torsten Yesterday, 12:42 AM » Replies: 90 » Views: 3,718 Big red stain on f103r an... Forum: Physical material Last Post: Bluetoes101 11-07-2025, 12:27 PM » Replies: 21 » Views: 15,272 Making a test for transla... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: oshfdk 11-07-2025, 10:35 AM » Replies: 10 » Views: 400

Flushing out a language from the Voynich Manuscript Posted by: Saturn - 23-08-2017, 02:26 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (4) Hello, My name is Matt and this script has to be Latin, yes the gallows with the bench is strange, but that is, because its in cipher.  Now I don't wish to release my cipher until we agree that you and your crew don't beat me up too bad here because its my life's work. You see the {oe} in voynich that's Latin for{ ei }= and its { to, they } in English Now if you wish to understand the cipher then post a reply! Helical structure of rosettes page Posted by: Ruby Novacna - 22-08-2017, 12:06 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (25) Hello ! For several days I have been looking for proposals to explain the helical structure of the rosette page. Do you have any references? Attached Files   helice.jpg (Size: 64.27 KB / Downloads: 293)   solar eclipse and the Rosette map... Posted by: juergenw - 21-08-2017, 07:10 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - No Replies For those without proper daylight today... Turn on some lights and have a look if you can match the solar eclipse diagram annotation to the rosette maps' appendix (see attachment).   The direct link to today's eclipse blogpost is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The link includes all the ms links. Attached Files   eclipse examples.pdf (Size: 1.21 MB / Downloads: 31)   The Medici agenda Posted by: Linda - 18-08-2017, 09:50 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - No Replies So this is an idea where the Medici family continued to show secrets of the world in their commissioning of art. I see connections to Botticellis paintings with regard to both geography and flora. Let me show you a later painting which I see as representing the world in its entirety. Calumny of Appeles    The timing of this painting is just after Columbus' journey. Now take a look at this projection. Not perfect but do you see the similarities? Australia would need to swing around 90 degrees with Antarctica making up the top half of Venus to the far left of the painting. Can you see the arm? The old hag is a T-O map trifecta of Africa, making up her head, Europe, the UK is her pointy sleeve, and Asia with India as the trailing dress. Note she is toe to toe with the tip of North America,  Jason Davies has a tool which can help make the shapes morph more closely to those in the painting You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  I haven't been able to capture it yet but will see what I can do. If you then go back in time, you find Cosimo Medici to be connected with various people that could have been part of making the manuscript, from geographers to cryptologists and astronomers, among others. I still see quite 13 as showing the ecumene through bodies of water, and the Birth of Venus seels to me a continuation of what is shown geographically, followed by Primavera, which to me combines more geography with a multitude of flora, in addition to the generally accepted imagery of the graces etc. Calumny of Appeles then shows the entire globe of land masses in its entirety. In 1439 the works of Strabo were introduced to Italy at the Council of Florence, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. who also knew Columbus I see this as the information shown in quite 13. Notably, Strabo's ecumene ends exactly where the quite 13 one does. He also saw Sagres point as the wester most point in Europe, which is where Quite 13 starts it's journey. Strabo also incorporated the work of Hecataeus in his writings, I see his periplusas being recreated in Quite 13 as well. There are more connections, but I will stop here to see if anyone sees a glimmer of what I am seeing in this.   Why does Beinecke do this? Posted by: Koen G - 17-08-2017, 08:56 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (3) A post from Beinecke just appeared on my facebook feed, and I keep being surprised at the confidence with which they claim unverified or wrong things.  Central Europe? Why? Why not Spain or Sicily or England for all I care? But okay, that's one thing, central Europe is a vague term. But why don't they update the date range? I thought we could be relatively certain about early 15th century?   why.jpg (Size: 45.7 KB / Downloads: 87)   Gallows distribution Posted by: davidjackson - 16-08-2017, 09:28 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (4) Can anyone out there confirm or deny this? Stolfi mentions in a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that he found the following gallows distribution: Quote: I just noticed a curious coincidence: > >   total *occurrences* of words (tokens) with >     >      0 gallows .... 17363  (49.4%) >      1 gallows .... 17443  (49.6%) >      2 gallows ....   323   (0.9%) >      3 gallows ....     3 > Many (if not all) of the 2- and 3-gallows words are probably due to > omission of word spaces by the transcribers. Other data errors may > have injected a few percent of noise in these figures. > > Still, the coincidence is intriguing. It seems safe to assume that a > "correct" Voynichese word can have at most one gallows; so we have > almost exact 50-50 split between 0-g and 1-g words. Even curiouser:               w/o gallows    with gallows             +--------------+--------------+ w/o tables   | 8772 (25.2%) | 9016 (25.9%) |             +--------------+--------------+ with tables  | 8591 (24.7%) | 8423 (24.2%) |             +--------------+--------------+ These are counts of tokens (word instances) in the whole majority-vote transcription; minus key sequences, labels, unreadable/contentious tokens, and the 326 tokens with two or more gallows. The "gallows" are the EVA letters [ktfp], including any platforms ("ct", "cth", "ith") and isolated "e" suffixes ("te", "cthe", etc.). The "tables" are the letters "ch", "sh", "ee", and any isolated "e"s that are not attached to a gallows letter. I can't be bothered to dig into this right now - does anybody have the stats to prove or disprove this antique statement?   The Greatest Clue for decoding the Voynich Manuscript Posted by: coded - 16-08-2017, 03:12 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (3) Arae I call Arae is listed in 68r1, the alchemy section and the vegetable menu section!  So here are the folios.  Arae is Ara for star and Constellation! You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Arae is for fire Some Venus fly traps have a greater resistance to fire than other plants.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., and depends on periodic burning to suppress its competition.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Fire suppression threatens its future in the wild.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   After a long Sabbatical from Ninjas Posted by: coded - 16-08-2017, 03:58 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (3) Hi friends; I'm still convinced the VMS is written Latin!  And it is from a great in depth search, from which I derived this perception.  The House of Este gardens and fountains show this Arched openings with green water!  You will have to read my book to find out the analysis from why I believe the Voynich is written in Latin.  Even JKP indicated House of Este as location to the VMS after I wrote about it.  Anyway Good to see all you   Computational Attacks on Abbreviated Text Posted by: -JKP- - 16-08-2017, 01:52 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (14) D. O'Donovan [corrected] posted an excerpt of Latin text on her blog and included the interlinear expansion of the abbreviations You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The original manuscript is BSB CLM 13031 f12r], but I didn't see a credit for the expansion, and I noticed there are mismatches between the original and the expanded text, so here is my version, which I believe is more true to the original (note that letters in red in the original are likely intended to be capital letters). Praepositio* et praeterea per dyptongon scribitum. Pene vero, quod est coniunctio, per E. Pena quod est supplicium per OE Q. littera tunc recte ponitur, cum illia statim .U. littera sequitur et alia quelibet una plures ve vocales iunguntur. ita ut una syllaba fiat. Cetera per .C. scribuntur. Que [Quae] pronomen cum .A. scribendum. que coniunctio sine .A. [*I'm not sure why the scribe has written this as Pre perpositio as I'm fairly sure Prepositio/Praepositio was intended.] My version is not intended as a criticism of the one posted on O'Donovan's site, I just feel it should be as accurate as possible if it's going to be discussed on the forum (and I enjoy expanding the abbreviations). I've been wanting to write in more detail about the way Latin was expanded in the 15th century, and have touched on it in some of my blogs, because it does dramatically change the statistical properties of word-frequency and other computational attacks, but can't seem to find enough time, so I thought this short excerpt might be enough to provide a start for a thread on the computational properties of medieval texts (note that the example above is about three centuries before the VMS). [Latin abbreviations are old news to some members, but if you are not familiar with them yet, Cappelli is an excellent resource.] Even if you study Latin abbreviations, and attempt to break the VMS text out into Latin (as has been tried by a number of researchers, and as has been recently attempted by P. Lockerby), that doesn't mean the correspondence between VMS glyphs or glyph-combinations is consistent. One can see in this short excerpt that "quod" was abbreviated in two different ways. It was not uncommon for words to be abbreviated four or five different ways. By the 15th century, long after the above excerpt was written, handwriting was messier, abbreviations more frequent, and consistency in the abbreviations even less than one sees in the above example. These abbreviation systems were not limited to Latin. Scribes used many of the same conventions in their native tongues. If the VMS were Greek or Italian, for example, many of the same abbreviation conventions would apply except that the symbols are expanded into letters appropriate to that language. So... AFA computat'nal attacks on lett'r frequency, et al, r concern'd...even if the VMS were a substitution code, the odds of it being one-to-one substitution are not very good. The use of abbreviations was deeply ingrained in the thinking of medieval scribes and the VMS has many short word-tokens (more than some of the transcriptions indicate).   The Face in Plant 17v Posted by: -JKP- - 14-08-2017, 01:04 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (41) There's no guarantee the tendril in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is intended as a face, but it does appear deliberate. Profiles of men with beards were common in medieval manuscripts but it's not usual to find them integrated with a plant in this specific way—usually they show up in roots or leaves. I haven't found a match, and looking for it is low on my list of priorities because there isn't necessarily an examplar, but this one comes closer than some, even if the nose is too sharp. Since the VMS drawing is a hybrid of face and plant, there may not be a direct match, but I thought it might be worth starting a thread in case interesting parallels exist: First Previous Next Last