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| Cryptologic History panel Oct. 19, 2017 |
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Posted by: -JKP- - 10-10-2017, 04:34 AM - Forum: News
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Richard SantaColoma is scheduled for a pre-20th Century cryptology panel at the Symosium on Cryptologic History (Milestones, Memories, and Momentum), Thurs. Oct. 19th at the Kossiakoff Centery, Laurel, Maryland.
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| Simon Wayman "decoded partial analysis" |
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Posted by: -JKP- - 08-10-2017, 06:32 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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I can't remember anyone posting anything about this video on youtube from Apr. 5, 2016, so I thought I would include a link.
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According to the author, Simon Waymon, it is an extension on ideas presented in Bax's video from Feb. 2014, and focuses on an Arabic interpretation.
Here's a transcript snippet from 15:51 that encapsulates the method (which is taken primarily from the "star charts"):
“Here’s another new star name. This is the most common name on chart 3. These are the first three stars [points out star labels]... The three underneath are some other versions of the name on chart 3. The first star name [reads out pronunciations of similar-looking Vwords]...
Let’s look at the spellings. We can see and “al” followed by vowels. There is a consistent variation within the vowels [points out patterns]... which come and go in their position. The “o” disappears from the beginning of number 5. It appears after the “l” in number 2 and 5. This is typical of the variations I’ve been seeing. We’ve just seen “Tia” [proposed star name] with “o”s on some words.
This is a difficult thing to get across to anyone. I’m showing you all these different words. I’m telling you, they are all variations on the same word.
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There are two ways to prove that this is true...[see video for explanation]. Please bear in mind that I’ve been looking at these star names, which I think are matches, for long enough to see how they vary. This is the most common word on chart 3, so it must be important, but the name isn't obvious... [description of Star 3, Taurus, and “Pleiades” cluster]"...
After an overview of positions on the star charts, Wayman anagrams the letter groups to produce names that are similar to one another and more readable as natural language.
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This is primarily a substitution + anagrams theory. For example, "o" is translated as "a", EVA-d as "t", gallows-t is ell and a "g" at the end is sometimes ignored and sometimes interpreted as "n", etc. However, when the author of the video notices significant repetition of common letter patterns that don't quite match known star names, these are then anagrammed to produce similar names.
The author does not give explanations as to why these "star names" appear with such great frequency and regularity in other sections that deal with plants, pools, etc.
He proposes that EVA-dar might be TAeR(N) for Taurus and explains the great frequency of "dar" might be because it has more than one meaning.
I thought this video was interesting, because it illustrates a pattern of "discovery" that I have seen in many of the proposed VMS solutions, that of 1) substitution, 2) ignoring certain glyphs that don't quite seem to fit, 3) anagraming (when trying to apply the substitution pattern to larger blocks of text doesn't quite work), and 4) various justifications for why a word should mean one thing in the context of an illustration and something else when it doesn't seem to fit as well with other illustrations or blocks of text (when the system doesn't generalize to other sections).
I'm not trying to present this pattern in a negative light—just reporting something I've noticed. For example, the very fact that so many attempts at decipherment end up with the researcher variously including and ignoring certain glyphs (like EVA-y at the end of tokens) might have some significance (perhaps they are nulls or markers).
So... we have a substitution code based on the assumption that short groups of text next to recognizable illustrations are labels (and probably nouns), which is an extremely common starting point for many VMS theories, followed by a selective process of including or ignoring certain glyphs when they don't seem to fit (also a very common pattern in decipherment attempts), followed by anagraming, which is a prevalent second or third step taken by many researchers once they start to notice the great amount of repetition in the text, followed by an explanation that words of great frequency which have been given an explanation in one part of the manuscript, might have more than one interpretation when they are encountered in another section (or attached to other "syllables").
What differs in Wayman's explanation from a number of other theories is the assertion that similar names are meant to be read as the same. In other words, there might be five or so variant spellings of the same label. If one considers that the VMS is already highly repetitious, if this were true, then the actual content of the manuscript would be dramatically reduced and the entire manuscript would have to be interpreted as being full of star names. Either that, or similar-looking words might have different meanings if they seem out of place.
Unfortunately, these two ideas combined brings one perilously close to a one-way cipher. If different spellings mean the same thing (as suggested for star names), but the same thing means different things (such as common syllables like "dar") then how does one sort out which is which? It becomes subjective interpretation.
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| New proposed solution |
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Posted by: ReneZ - 04-10-2017, 06:39 AM - Forum: News
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As I already commented elsewhere, this is an unusually fruitful year for solution attempts.
Here is another one:
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| balanced herbals |
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Posted by: Davidsch - 02-10-2017, 01:36 PM - Forum: Imagery
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If you look at the herbals like an unit being displayed, you could split a herbal drawing up into:
top with flowers
leafs top
branch (small)
(fruit or) seed
main branch (thick)
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bottom base, root crown
root
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If you count the parts on the left and right side of each herbal, you will notice that there are balanced but also un-balanced herbals.
Sometimes you counts 4 big tubers on one side and 5 on the other, 7 leafs on one side and 6 on the other side etc.
Some random picks.
f10v: 2 flowers, leafs left: 3, leaf right: 5.
f16r: 1 big flower in middle, 2 left flowers, 2 right, 3 branches, on the left 3 with 3 leafs, on the right 4 branches with 4 leafs.
f41v: 4 branches left, 3 branches right. 2 root tubers balanced. 4 leafs left, 3 right. 1 long root thing.
Although there are also balanced herbals.
For example f33v: 3 bulbs, 3 flowers. 3 leafs left, 3 leaves right.
f16v: 1 big flower in middle, 2 left, 2 right
f48r: 3 flowers, 1 longer on the left, 5 branches left, 5 branches right, 6 green things on both sides, 3 root things balanced
On the contrary, in most Dioscorides and pseudo herbals that I've seen most herbals show a balanced drawing.
Hard figures I do not have, this is based on a general feeling during the last year.
If there is a (hidden) significance in showing a balanced or unbalanced herbal, and you and such information to share, please share that.
If you don't think it is relevant, please mention that together with any of your research references, would be much appreciated.
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