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| St. Gall Abbot Ulrich Rösch's book of heraldry |
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Posted by: Anton - 26-05-2019, 10:45 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography
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I think this is a very useful MS, may turn helpful, who knows.
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Quote:St. Gall Abbot Ulrich Rösch's (1462-1491) book of heraldry, containing 1,626 coats of arms of prominent people from the laity and the clergy, mostly from the southern region of Germany. This heraldic book was probably prepared in the Heidelberg workshop of Hans Ingeram for an unknown customer from the area between the Neckar River and the Upper Rhine. In the 1480s St. Gall Abbot Ulrich Rösch purchased the volume and had numerous coats of arms from Swiss and German border areas added in the back pages; these were drawn by Winterthur artist Hans Haggenberg. One of the most important heraldic record books of the 15th century.
Cod. Sang. 1084
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| Interview on German nationwide radio |
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Posted by: voynichbombe - 26-05-2019, 03:45 AM - Forum: News
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On the occasion of the G. Cheshire paper release I got asked to give a short interview on "Deutschlandfunk Kultur", a German nationwide radio station, which aired on 20th of May.
You can listen back to my contribution (about 8 minutes, in German language) here:
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The framing was "Pop Culture", so please don't expect it to be scientifically centered.
I would like to apologize for all the names that disappeared after the arrangement (the original recording was around 25 minutes long).
At least they kept the name of this very fine forum!
I also would like to outline that I don't see myself as the sole founder of it, as the radio host said. I much rather would like to refer to Anton Alipov's (without whom this forum would never have seen the light of day) explanation in his interview - the idea was in the air, the rest was, and still is, excellent teamwork.
I owe many thanks to a lot of people!
Speaking of which, if someone with understanding of the German language would have enough time at hand, I would very much welcome an initiative to transcribe the radio session and translate it into English.
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| Discussion of "A possible generating algorithm of the Voynich manuscript" |
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Posted by: Emma May Smith - 25-05-2019, 07:38 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Hmm, reading the GitHub page I see that your "self-citation text generator" has a number of problems: - It generates words which don't exist.
- Over-generates rare words.
- Allow words which typically occur at the start of the line to appear anywhere.
- Certain bigrams have the wrong frequencies: lt (24 tokens) but lk (36 tokens), or oa (44 tokens) but ya (233 tokens!)
I can't say that the text really looks like the Voynich text.
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| Krakow and nearby |
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Posted by: Anton - 25-05-2019, 01:37 AM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography
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Recently I began to pay attention to the region of what is now southern Poland - around Czestochova, Katowice and Krakow, this not in the least part induced by that guy Wroblicius having originated from Mstow and later settled in Krakow which was one of the scientific centres of the time.
Occasionally I stumbled upon this You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about the work "Algorismus Minituarum" by Marcin Król, the famous Polish 15th c. scientist. This paper reproduces some pages of BJ 1927 (Jagellonian Library, Krakow) which (as the notes tell us) is a contemporary copy produced by Jan z Olkusza (Jan from Olkusz, that being some 40km from Krakow) - who, as I understand, was a mathematician and astronomer himself, and it is said that the Jagellonian Library holds his 1444 copy of Euclid. Unfortunately, no scans of his manuscripts seem to be available on the net. However, I very much like the writing style. He seems to use several styles for some letters, but some "h", "l", "p", "t", "b", "g" are quite close to what we have in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. marginalia, this let alone the long tail "s" and "f" (see fig. 1 and fig.6 in particular), and the "d" which in some places tends to what we find in "oladabas". Also, I like the decorations surrounding the capital "M", similar to those that sometimes surround the gallows.
This is clearly not the hand of the Voynich marginalia, but the style may be suggestive?!
So I wonder if there is some writing style or school which is characteristic to the 1st half of 15th c. and the whereabouts of Krakow?
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| Anton Alipov on the Voynich Manuscript and the Voynich Ninja |
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Posted by: Anton - 24-05-2019, 07:48 PM - Forum: News
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I've been recently interviewed by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., and today the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was published.
I apologize that I do not present any solution, but may I be excused by the plain fact that I don't have one.
The interview is published in Russian so far, but I'm told that it will be translated into English, French and Catalan. I will bump this thread up when that happens.
Meanwhile Google translator produces a somewhat clumsy (many proper nouns are distorted, in particular), but overall so-so readable, translation.
A question may arise why we do not discuss the recent Dr. Cheshire's solution - no hidden agenda in that, just the interview took place a few days before that.
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| Voynich at Histocrypt, June 23-25, Belgium |
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Posted by: proto57 - 24-05-2019, 01:26 PM - Forum: News
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For those able to attend, don't forget about the upcoming HistoCrypt Cipher Conference in Mons, Belgium. It will be June 23 through 26th. The programme and information, including suggestions of accommodations, are now up on the site:
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Unfortunately there won't be a dedicated Voynich segment, but close to it: René Zandbergen and Guisseppe Bianchi will be "representing" the Voynich Manuscript between about 11:30AM and 12:30PM on Tuesday the 25th.
If it were closer to me I would attend, but I am in the USA of course (and my paper was rejected, so I won't be speaking). For those in Europe it may very well be worth it, not only for the Voynich talks, but of course for the other interesting historical cipher discussions. And you never know when the knowledge of some area of cipher will pay off in the VMs arena, too...
If anyone from the Ninja's does attend, I'm sure everyone would love a synopsis of the event.
Rich SantaColoma.
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| The Tepenecz signature in book no. 4: a concern |
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Posted by: Kestrel - 18-05-2019, 04:47 PM - Forum: Provenance & history
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Hello everyone,
I have a major concern in relation to "Jacobj à Tepenecz No 4" inscription in the copy of the 1553 Dialecta Aristotelis held by the Czech National Library, as discussed on Rene's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. I haven't seen this issue addressed anywhere, and would be interested in your thoughts.
My concern doesn't relate to the signature itself, but rather to the "No 4" that follows it. There are two strokes through it, in contrast to the "No 7" and "No 18" in two of the other signed items, both of which have a single stroke.
Photos of the Tepenecz signature on the Voynich Manuscript (f1r) certainly give an initial impression that the signature is followed by a "No" with two lines through it. However, examination of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. reveals that the lower line is merely an optical illusion. The eye joins up the lower left portion of the single stroke (to the right of the letter "N"), with two blobs of ink on the letter "N" itself, and finally with "o" to the right, to create the appearance of a second line. But there is, in fact, no continuous line of ink. There is only one through stroke.
In other words, "Jacobj à Tepenecz No 4" reproduces a feature of the Voynich Manuscript signature that isn't really there. I find this disconcerting. Another obvious discrepancy is that "No 7" and "No 18" (both clearly genuine) are followed by a dot, whereas "No 4" is not. Also (although this is subjective opinion) I feel that "No 4," with its laborious double lines, looks very contrived in comparison to "No 7" and "No 18," with their natural, free-flowing single strokes.
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| [split] f16r |
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Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 14-05-2019, 12:13 AM - Forum: Imagery
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(13-05-2019, 10:40 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So what we are seeing could be two monks who are being encouraged to celibacy by this plant. It would be interesting to find out more about this belief.
In fact, it makes sense that two heads are drawn. Like testicles.
chaste tree or monks pepper is found on page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and was used to stop those pesky urges. lol.
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| 9 rosette castle location |
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Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 13-05-2019, 08:33 PM - Forum: Imagery
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The 9 rosette folio castle depiction with mountain and waterways (3rd circle top) is very similar to the hill top Castle of Nafpaktos in Greece. They also found a Turkish bath house during excavtions.
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including the wall and tower at the end of the long wall to the harbor
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Some pictures still show the V shaped walls that have not crumbled.
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