(25-10-2021, 11:33 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The whole top of the tower looks modern though 
Of course, it was only built around 1956.
The whole place is pure fantasy.
It is written:
There are many historic buildings from the 15th to 17th centuries in the city centre, especially in the Old Town. Two gates to the Old Town have been preserved from the historic city fortifications, the Krakow Gate and the Grodzka Gate. Between the Grodzka Gate and the castle there was a Jewish quarter until 1942, which was completely destroyed during the German occupation of Poland. Today, the semi-circular Castle Square (pl. Zamkowy), whose ground plan and historicising buildings were completely invented in 1956, takes the place of its eastern sections. The Lublin Castle was first built in the 14th century and later rebuilt many times. The historic Rybna Gate was reconstructed in 1952. Of great art-historical importance is the royal chapel at the castle, which preserves ancient Byzantine and Old Russian paintings from the time of the Jagiellons. St John's Cathedral, built as a Jesuit church, is considered one of the first Baroque buildings in Poland.
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Interesting - and you may be correct, but it doesn't agree with what the first link says.
"The long-standing tower of Lublin’s castle complex, known in Polish as the [i]donżon[/i] (ENG: keep), was built in the 13th century and is the oldest brick structure in the city. Indeed the castle complex has gone through numerous iterations in its lifetime, however, this tower has stayed put in its original style for more than 800 years!"
Why would it be rebuilt with swallowtail merlons, if these were historically irrelevant?
That's why I'm asking for some "proof of historicity" in this thread. I think there are two main reasons why merlons are often unreliable:
1. The top of structures will crumble first and require restoration sooner.
2. Merlons are a dramatic part of a structure and subsequent owners would often update them to their preferred style. This happend a lot in the age of romanticism for example.
With many of the Italian castles we have the advantage that the merlons are so clearly part of the crumbling original building.
1655-57 Demolished and rebuilt.
Completely rebuilt in 1820
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The castle was rebuilt - no argument. However it says that the tower / donjon remained from the 13th Century. In what condition, it's hard to say.
"this tower has stayed put in its original style for more than 800 years" What does 'style' mean? Does that include merlons? Seems to me that merlons are an important part of 'style'. 'Style' would certainly have been important in the original construction.
It may be difficult to get absolute proof from a travel brochure, but that does not mean that all possibilities are eliminated. It just indicates that sufficient evidence is not known or is no longer historically available.
The list may require a high level of certainty; that's fine. Other possibilities can hopefully be evaluated in this discussion.
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Basically:
There are no dovetail battlements before 1500 north of the Alps.
The tower had no such battlements before 1820.
The Kremlin walls would be an exception to that statement, built in the last quarter of the 15th century. (Still way too late to be relevant for the VM but certainly before 1500).
In 1500, the Kremlin did not yet have dovetail battlements.
So it is written:
When they were built, they had a purely defensive function, and it was only in the 17th century, when the Kremlin's importance as a fortress gradually declined, that they were raised for representational purposes, adding their characteristic tent roofs and spires.
There are no dovetailed battlements north of the Alps before 1500 !
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It's not like I'm just telling something because I think so. It is the archaeologists who think so. None have been found to date, and probably never will be.
I had a church in Germany from the 1300s that had good views of the battlements at first glance.
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After doing some research, I came across a second church a few villages away.
Same age and same architect.
Further on, one of the roofs burnt down around 1620.
The village probably didn't have enough money for a new roof, and simply tinkered with the existing battlements.
It looks like it, but unfortunately it is not. It cost me a lot of time.
But the archaeologists are right after all.
No such battlements before 1500.
"Tent roofs and spires" is about the towers, not about the walls. The merlons already existed before 1500, built by the Italian architects they imported.