The Voynich Ninja

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Because I am the owner of the map, I had to enter incognito mode to see it how you would see it. Do my screenshots correspond with your experience?

(23-10-2021, 02:22 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Question for Marco:
When you read from the book of Venice, would you say that it is quite close to today's Italian or rather difficult to read?
Are there any major characteristics?

Hi Peter,
I find the text rather hard to read, but this is mostly due to the script. If I spent a couple of hours working on this manuscript, things would get much better. Transcription problems aside, some differences with modern Italian are:
1. word spacing (some spaces appear to be systematically skipped, e.g. after the conjunction "e", or after articles);
2. missing double consonants (in about 50% of cases, these are rendered as a single consonant);
3. the final vowel is sometimes dropped;
4. spelling has other minor differences which are easily handled (e.g. "d" for "t").

2 and 3 are features of the Venetian dialect: many of the differences are due to Italian vs Venetian rather than ancient Italian vs modern Italian.

Despite the damage to this illustration, it seems fairly clear the the merlons at the point of the upper sword were drawn as Ghibelline. Unfortunately the provenance is not good. However "Northern, France"  with a date of 1275-1325 definitely seems to requite an expansion of both the geographical and chronological boundaries established so far. Not just far away, but in a northwesterly direction, and currently it would be the earliest item on the list.

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Are you sure about that? The quality is really atrocious. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. you can see black and white scans at BNF, where it looks to me like they are straight-topped with some damaged paint.

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The link I sent will magnify somewhat.  It's clear the paint is worn off, but the colors are still pretty well in place. There are the greenish sides to the merlons, esp. on the left and center, and there is clearly another color, appropriate to the background, that sits in the center of the swallowtails. There is damage, but have the colors been moved? Not as I see it.

Admittedly it is 'out of place',  but not an impossibility.

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Thanks Marco
I didn't notice, but it's interesting for me that many double consonants are already missing in Venice.
Further north over Venice in Friauli it is already normal. Basically no double consonants.
Unfortunately, there is not much reverence material.
Also the creeping entry of the Slavic, but still at the German language area border.

Actually, the use in maria of mulieribus (mulieri) made me wonder. Here mother would fit better than Frau, wife or Weib. This because of f17.

Here we would have to continue better with the topic origin.

This is just the Hail Mary in Latin

Ávē Marī́a, grā́tiā plḗna,
Dóminus tḗcum.
Benedícta tū in muliéribus,
et benedíctus frū́ctus véntris túī, Iḗsūs.
Sā́ncta Marī́a, Mā́ter Déī,

Thanks Koen

I think of the word malier in a German sentence, but with the possibility of Italian (Latin / dialect) application.

More fun with merlons!

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The whole top of the tower looks modern though