21-09-2021, 09:49 PM
Is this thread aimed only at castles with swallow tail merlons? I know of an Abbey with swallow tail merlons and I doubt that it is the only one.
21-09-2021, 09:49 PM
21-09-2021, 10:02 PM
No, any building will do. But there has to be a strong indication that the merlons were already like that before 1450, since they were often changed or added during restoration.
21-09-2021, 10:18 PM
(21-09-2021, 10:02 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No, any building will do.
Ok.
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But there has to be a strong indication that the merlons were already like that before 1450, since they were often changed or added during restoration.
I think this quite hard to do as I think the merlons could be changed due to changing political affiliations whether they be ghibiline or guelph.
Both Nick Pelling and I associate the Voynich "castle" with the Milan Castle. However Nick has associated the castle with the later Sforza castle(see his book) and I have associated with the earlier castle on that site, which was destroyed in 1447. The Castello Sforzesco clearly has swallow tail merlons. However Nick and I were not clear as to whether the earlier castle, called the Castello di Porta Giova, had swallow tail merlons or not. See Nick's excellent research here:
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There are other reasons why I think it did, but maybe this is something that has already been determined.
21-09-2021, 10:45 PM
(21-09-2021, 10:02 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No, any building will do.
Now I don't know when the ghibiline merlons were added. I would be very surprised if they date from after 1469. They probably date from after 1430 and before 1469.
This Abbey is in San Nazzaro Sesia. There must be other abbeys with swallow tail merlons.
Did you verify that there were swallow-tail battlements in Bellinzona in the early 15th century? I believe there were, but I think that proving it would not necessarily be easy.
21-09-2021, 11:35 PM
I'm surprised that Castelgrande in Bellinzona hasn't already been mentioned here. This has long low walls and distinct swallowtail merlons very reminiscent of the castle wall section of the nine-rosette page. I don't know what the layout of this castle was circa 1400-1450, but perhaps someone else will be able to find that out.
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The nearby Sasso Corbaro Castle also has swallowtail merlons:
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The Castle of Montebello (the third of the three Bellinzona castles) also has swallowtail merlons and long low merloned walls:
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The nearby Sasso Corbaro Castle also has swallowtail merlons:
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The Castle of Montebello (the third of the three Bellinzona castles) also has swallowtail merlons and long low merloned walls:
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22-09-2021, 12:04 AM
Bellinzona (Castel Grande) has several construction stages as far as the battlements are concerned, which lie between the 13th and 15th centuries.
An eternal building site when you consider that a Roman fort once stood there.
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The same applies to the surrounding ruins. ca 13 century.
Castel Mesocco and Norantola
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Building stages Norantola
12th and 13th century / Green 14th century
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An eternal building site when you consider that a Roman fort once stood there.
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The same applies to the surrounding ruins. ca 13 century.
Castel Mesocco and Norantola
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Building stages Norantola
12th and 13th century / Green 14th century
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22-09-2021, 04:55 AM
22-09-2021, 10:18 AM
Castles added, apart from Blonay. There was a tower in the 12th century (which may not have had the merlons) but the main construction was carried out in the 15th century. If this was done before 1450 it should be added of course, it would be one of our most western castles so far.
This is a risky one to assess without a lot of research - you can see that the top bricks are newer than the layers beneath.
(21-09-2021, 10:45 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Now I don't know when the ghibiline merlons were added. I would be very surprised if they date from after 1469. They probably date from after 1430 and before 1469.
This is a risky one to assess without a lot of research - you can see that the top bricks are newer than the layers beneath.
22-09-2021, 11:44 AM
22-09-2021, 11:50 AM
[attachment=5868]To the Castello Bonay.
There is no reason to assume that the battlements were added later. The corner walling runs from the bottom to the top. The tower stood alone. Residential tower
There is no reason to assume that the battlements were added later. The corner walling runs from the bottom to the top. The tower stood alone. Residential tower