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Old spice Posted by: trud55 - 30-06-2024, 04:00 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (4) Hello, I'm new to this forum and VM topic but very enthusiastic about the fun it gives to solve at least some puzzle the VM has. I don't know how many puzzles are there - the first owner, the author, is it a medical recipe or not, did the author had a sense of humor or not. Definately he was not a monk. I believe the author was asked if he can read it. The answer was kind of why? I know its contents without reading.  The manuscript was never meant to be decoded. Why did an author encoded it? Perhaps it was a tool in some negotiations.  I think botanist Dr Leonard Rauwolf did own the manuscript but he was not the 1st owner.  The manuscript was never meant to be docoded since the author could write it in plain text. There was some context to it. Probably of a very significant historical moment. You just can’t go to king and sell him book. He may just cut off your head   I think he left no key to read the text. Let's say we see STAR on page X. STAR can have different meaning on page Y. It is one difficulty. The code has 2 layers: the unknown alphabet that hides some word say DESCENDANT. If somene will get that deep enough to read this word the author by DESCENDANT means other word say CASTLE. Plain text = CASTLE coded text = DESCENDANT word DESCENDANT is then encoded into unknown alphabet. Like that. Good luck.   f69v_f70r1_f70r2 - Strange Voynich (Latin?) Posted by: Bluetoes101 - 27-06-2024, 10:05 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (18) My copy of this page was terrible until recently, but I got a better one and had a closer look, there are some really odd things going on!  Is this a Voynich/Latin mixed word?! It might be a Voynich "s" done... weird.. but the "u/v" is odd, maybe its o and they didn't join up, and the "i" is tilted the wrong way in comparison with rest of text.. just feels like a couple too many "mistakes" in a row? The "e" shape reminded me of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. marginalia, because of its enlarged size to what I would expect (in modern writing). My Latin knowledge is as far as I could get from what I picked up on posts on here, but I thought it was "st", I had ChatGPT image analyse it and it seemed confident on "e", be interested to hear the real answer from people on here ḡ?! I thought it said "5" for a second, then saw another one There's a lot of very odd things on this pages for normal Voynich text, not as in rare glyphs, but just stuff written strangely. Here's a few examples. I think some of these could just be very bad touch ups or new additions, and so separate from above. I include them though because, maybe.. the person doing these pages was new to Voynich to messed up some text / left some Latin in? Presuming left to right this means the text must be middle to outer.. or some other implication/significance  More "u/v" this does not look like an unfinished "o" looking at rest of text  other strange glyphs The vord starts with "o" Full stops? (+ weird glyph combo) Missed line for "s" or dotted i ?  I could keep going and going, but you get the picture.. I think most of it could be sort of waved away somehow, but the macrons ḡ ? This looks to be original ink not the darker touch ups Personally I think these pages might be a case of "2 dots don't mean anything, but many make a line", too many odd things to put down to just touch ups / fading / marks on page etc, but what do you guys think?   [VM DAY] State of the Voynich 2024 Posted by: Koen G - 27-06-2024, 04:59 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (62) Some of you may recall my "state of the Voynich" polls, conducted in 2017 and 2020. We are way overdue for a new one! Purpose The poll is for fun and does not aim to establish truth or consensus. The aim is to get an idea of the average opinion on the forum and how it evolves over time. Both the composition of our member base and overall changes in perception of the MS will have an impact on this, and measuring this change is the point of this exercise. I will share the results during VM day, and compare them to previous editions. This will be a fun little break from the presentations. RULES Answer either by PM to me, or by replying to this thread, preferably using spoiler tags:  Code: [spoiler]  [/spoiler] reply in a NUMBERED LIST to avoid confusion A change from previous editions, you are now allowed to answer with a percentage. How much (in %) do you agree with the statement? If agree completely, write 100, if you don't agree at all, write 0. People did not like answering either agree or disagree in the previous system, so percentages should offer some more flexibility. Answer from the heart: this is about how you feel, not about what can be proven. Any answers sent by PM to me will not be shared publicly.  Please participate! It does not matter whether you post rarely or every day, your opinion matters. The more people answer, the better impression we will get about currently held views on the MS. Questions: how much, in %, do you agree with the following statements? Voynichese text, or part of it, contains (semantic) meaning. The contents have been enciphered with simple substitution or something close to it. The contents have been enciphered using a more complex cipher. The contents have been obscured, but not by means of a cipher. The images match the text The plants are meant to refer to real plants The majority of the plants is exotic from a European perspective (Asian, African, American...) The images have been made ambiguous or otherwise strange to conceal their true meaning Alchemy is an important part of the MS. Astronomy and/or astrology are an important part of the MS. Medicine an important part of the MS. The MS is the creative product of one mind, i.e. an author. (Taking into account the possibility that one or more scribes helped to fashion the physical manuscript) The MS is authored by a known historical figure. Let's define "known" as "has a Wikipedia entry". One day, we will be able to read the MS. There will be a breakthrough in Voynich studies in 2024-2025. The MS is some kind of hoax (i.e. the main motivation for making it was to deceive others). Have (part of) your views about the MS changed notably over the last few years? The deadline is July 14. Novel Inspired by the Voynich.ninja Community - You're in the Plot! Posted by: AmaliaRose - 24-06-2024, 08:28 AM - Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media - Replies (6) Dear Voynich Ninjas, I'm excited to share with you a new novel that I've written called "Decoded" which was heavily inspired by the incredible knowledge, theories and discussions in this very forum. In fact, you may notice that Voynich.ninja itself features in the plot! The story follows Amalia Rose, an intrepid journalist who finds herself on the trail of the Voynich Manuscript's secrets after a mysterious blog post by Computational Linguist, Dr. Emily Hathaway, goes viral claiming to have finally decoded it. As Amalia investigates, enlisting the reluctant help of her ex-partner and rival, a charismatic YouTuber named Bastian Ham, she uncovers clues pointing to a lost matriarchal civilization. At a critical juncture, an anonymous source directs Amalia to the Voynich.ninja forums, hinting that the collective wisdom and keen insights of this community may hold the key to unlocking the manuscript's ultimate mysteries. Fascinated, Amalia and Bastian use your knowledge to guide them on a globetrotting adventure involving secret societies, psychedelics, AI, and a battle over the very future of civilization. This book is my love letter to the Voynich Manuscript and the dedicated community of scholars, enthusiasts, and armchair detectives who have poured so much passion into unraveling its secrets. Your tireless efforts and brilliant observations have been a constant source of inspiration to me. Of course, the story takes fictional liberties and should not be considered a factual account. However, I've woven in many real historical details and Voynich theories, and provide an extensive bibliography at the end for those who want to dive deeper. I hope the book will entertain you and perhaps bring a few new curious minds into the Voynich world. I'm making the book available online for free for the next five days, and would be delighted if you'd consider reading it and sharing your thoughts. As the people who inspired so much of the story, your feedback would mean the world to me. Thank you for being such an amazing community and for all you've done to shed light on the beautiful enigma that is the Voynich Manuscript. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. In case the genre does not interest you, I leave the extract I want you to read: "But every time I sat down to write the piece my editor so desperately wanted, the faces of my heroes danced before my eyes. An ancient scribe, Elizebeth, Ethel, Mercy, the brave souls of the Cretan resistance, and countless others who had sacrificed everything in the pursuit of truth. And then there were the unsung heroes, the librarians and archivists at the British School at Athens, painstakingly digitizing the John Pendlebury Family Papers and blogging about Mercy’s achievements so that they wouldn’t be lost to time. And of course, there were the mighty academics at Yale, who had the foresight and courage to open-source the Voynich Manuscript research and the Voynich family archive, inviting a multidisciplinary gang of ninjas to join the hunt for answers. There was wisdom in that approach, the same collaborative, interdisciplinary approach that had allowed John Seiradakis and his colleagues in the Antikythera Mechanism Research Project to crack the secrets of that ancient wonder. We walk farther when we walk together, pooling our knowledge and resources in the service of a common goal." With gratitude, Amalia Rose #TheExFiles   Upper and lower case Posted by: dfs346 - 21-06-2024, 08:04 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - No Replies Thoughts on how the scribes of the Voynich manuscript might have handled upper- and lower-case letters in the presumed precursor documents. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.     Selected v101 "core glyphs" and possible variants with (mostly) lower frequencies. Author's analysis.   "Dragon" 25v Posted by: Bluetoes101 - 18-06-2024, 11:42 PM - Forum: Imagery - No Replies I do apologise for links, I have forgotten how to insert images so that they work.  I started with the idea what the VM artist copied "[b]Title :  [/b]Liber de plantis. [b]Publication date :  [/b]1440-1460", but very badly / incorrectly. Manuscript link - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The foot placement being almost forcibly attached to the plant image, left foot on the right side of the roots drew me to this conclusion  Page of Manuscript link - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  In attempting to recreate/prove this copy and "mistake" that lead to the "downstairs mixup"  (I'm sorry I'm a mightyboosh fan and it was too tempting), I proved myself wrong. At least I believe I did. I would be interested to hear others thoughts. Either, the artist copied the feet first then realised their mistake in composition which made adding a tail cause all sorts of visual issues (initial thought), or they are trying to show one wing behind the other, and a "clubbed" tail. Which I now think is most likely. Either option shows the artist to be an amateur (not understanding which background lines to omit from foreground), and the "dragon" to be a "dragon", Not a dog, armadillo, ant-eater, ...cat(?!) or others that I have seen mentioned. It either has 2 wings and "clubbed tail", or a long tail, and artist messed up the foot then added a quick fix with the foot poking from behind belly, presumably to be rectified later (or they just didn't care), either in my opinion makes this a dragon.. or the most messed up bird..   In the middle line of images I tried to recreate the image best I could with the VM artists thought process in mind when/if copying, obviously this is a destructive process, it was only done to try understand artistic choices/order of working, but ultimately lead me to believe this was not a copy. The need for the left foot of a dragon to be touching the right side of a root.. is quite a unique scenario though (I haven't seen elsewhere) and I would be shocked if that element of the composition wasn't copied / in the mind of artist.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. If the links don't work let me know, and if you could remind me how to embed stuff so it works again Id be v much appreciative   This video reminded me of Voynich "I'VE SOLVED IT!" manuscript, cases so much Posted by: Bluetoes101 - 14-06-2024, 12:40 AM - Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media - Replies (4) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Its so eerily familiar when I think about some posts on youtube, or other sites on the VM, and the creators responses.  Hopefully you guys find this entertaining/funny. My personal favourite was "Science is about reproducibility, I can have the most brilliant, crazy, fun, idea ever and if I perform and experiment and no one else can duplicate that experiment? It belongs in the trash heap. It's me in my own world thinking I have landed on objective truth when in fact I haven't, that's how science works! The reproducibility of results."   A new solution, to be presented in Friuli Posted by: ReneZ - 12-06-2024, 12:26 AM - Forum: News - Replies (25) I was just informed of this: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ... and this is why the name sounded familiar: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Religious references Posted by: R. Sale - 11-06-2024, 08:27 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (7) While some investigators have indicated a lack religious references in the VMs, there may be more than those two crosses first recognized as potential objects of reference to medieval religious beliefs, but their full interpretation remains unclear. Something that goes unnoticed, because it is not present, is the 'absence' of planetary spheres in the VMs cosmos. What is revealed by this absence? The "scientific" knowledge of the planetary spheres is simply not presented. This simplified structural representation of the universe is seen in the cosmic diagrams from BNF Fr. 565 and Harley 334, which share a (1400-1450) provenance that starts in Paris. The VMs artist adopts the cosmic structure, totally alters the appearance, and then plays hide and seek with the 43 undulations that match the 'Oresme' version from the BNF. It's as clear as the cosmic wheel that some level of deception has been used. The use of duality on VMs White Aries was intentional and the prior placement of the two tubs with the papelonny patterns was no accident. The VMs cosmos shares the structure of the anti-scientific *Parisian* cosmic diagrams produced coincident with the VMs C-14 dating. After the French disaster at Avignon (1415), many noble families were headed by women. BNF Fr. 565 went to Marie de Berry who was Duchess of Auvergne. Does the potentially anti-scientific VMs cosmic diagram indicate the possibility of a more pro-religious inclination for the VMs text in general?   Folio 78r Quire 13 binding anomolies Posted by: Linguistics of Flowers - 11-06-2024, 12:33 AM - Forum: Physical material - Replies (2) I am doing research on the binding anomalies in Quire 13, around Folio 78r. I thought someone did a paper on this subject... now can't find it. Can anyone help? The translation I am working on references that the authors intentionally placed holes and possible rewove this section unusually. ???!! First Previous Next Last