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Voynich Manuscript Middle English Posted by: stellar - 03-02-2017, 07:24 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions - Replies (9) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. For anyone interested this book is available at Amazon. The interior is full color and a glossy cover! Published: January 27, 2017 Author: Tom E. O'Neil 8.5" x 11" (21.59 x 27.94 cm)  Full Color on White paper 38 pages ISBN-13: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (CreateSpace-Assigned)  ISBN-10: 1542798663  BISAC: History / Europe / Great Britain / General Why has the VMS garnished so much attention from amateur and professional cryptographers, programmers, linguists and art historians? Truly I believe that at first glance by all it looks like the VMS text can be read. That in the moment of the first glance it looks simple, but once fully invested the person realizes the VMS is highly complex. For what it’s worth, what I have found is the translation is not all that exciting. Language frequencies have been applied to the VMS without finding any consistent language that fits a straight across translation. This has led some to believe the VMS is a hoax or an invented language. I believe the latter! What would cause so many failed attempts at decoding the VMS? The author would invent a language as a cipher of scrambled letters replacing words to numbers in the invented language and to further complicate it, make it look like a known language. What I propose is that the VMS glyphs have been strategically placed and that the letter values being numbers are of Middle English Gematria origin. This is known as ordinal gematria.   Colors Posted by: VViews - 01-02-2017, 07:46 PM - Forum: Physical material - Replies (16) Hi everyone, sadly I have so far been unable to retrieve any part of the thread that I had started on this subject, so here we are. I can't remember everything that was posted in the previous thread, but I do recall the reference to ReneZ's list of extraneous writing in the Voynich, which can be found You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Based on that list, the potential color annotations visible in the Voynich are: f1v: A single 'g' under the paint of the second leftmost green leaf f2r: Voynich text (ios an on ?) under green paint of bottom right leaf (middle petal) f4r: A capital F in the rightmost flower        The word 'rot' written vertically in the stem of the plant  f9v: A single 'g' to the right of the top right flower        Several characters in the top left flower under the blue paint: 'por' in the top petal, 'p' in the lower left petal and 'r' in the lower right petal f20r: A 'p' (or possibly an 'r') at the top of the root system 28v: Some apparent symbols in the middle of the flower 32r: A 'p' and what looks like a 'v' or an 'r' in the bottom right flower. There could be another character after the 'p'. 39v: A capital B in the white space between the two green part of the bottom right leaf. I also recall mentioning the work of Patricia Stirnemann, and have found additional links which may be of interest to those who want to look into color annotations. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I need to go back and read that article again but I do remember that it mentioned that color annotations appear irregularly within a given MS, and that color indications often show the sequence in which alternating colors were to be painted. Both of these observations seemed broadly consistent with what can be seen in the Voynich. Additionally, I found this article by Andreas Petzold which also deals with color annotations: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I apologize for not remembering the other contributions to the thread, please repost if you do!   State of the Voynich January 2017: RESULTS Posted by: Koen G - 29-01-2017, 08:37 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (1) The first results thread was lost in the database crash and I am unable to recover it. So here I will list again the result of our first "state of the Voynich" survey, in which we tried to make a snapshot of the beliefs that live in our community. These results reflect the state as it was in early January 2017. Sixteen members participated. Yes/no questions The percentages reflect the amount of respondents who were more inclined to answer "yes" than "no" to the question: 0%  Is the manuscript any kind of hoax? 15% Is alchemy an important part of the manuscript? 20% Have the images been made ambiguous or otherwise strange to conceal their true meaning? 23% Is the majority of the plants exotic from a European perspective? 23% Is the manuscript authored by a known historical figure? 67% Has the text been purposefully enciphered to conceal its meaning? 67% Is medicine an important part of the manuscript? 67% Is the manuscript the creative product of one mind, i.e. an author? 87% Is astronomy and/or astrology an important part of the manuscript? 93% Are the plants meant to refer to real plants? 93% Will there be any breakthrough in Voynich studies in 2017? 100% Does the text contain any meaning? 100% Do the images match the text? 100% Will we ever be able to read the manuscript? Open questions:  What is quire 13 about? The main group of answers can be classified as "medicine, anatomy, bathing", with seven mentions. Other mentions included astronomy, meteorology, natural philosophy and geography. What is quire 20 about? This question was very hard to answer and many users opted to skip it. Answers included: excerpts from known texts, geography, history, philosophy , various advices and thoughts, proverbs, recipes. Which language? - Latin (6) - Non-European language (6) - European vernacular (4) - Greek (3) Final notes I had included some other observations but I can't remember all of them. A funny stat was that Anton and davidjackson agreed most often with the majority answer, while Koen Gh. and Sam G's answers differed most often from the majority.  It is also interesting to note that the yes/no questions are fairly polarizing: with a large gap between 23% and 67%, the 50% is always out of reach. Finally, I will note again that I am encouraged to see the optimism and belief in our possibilities that shines through these results. I am looking forward to see what our answers will be in January 2018!   Rectangular quatrefoil Posted by: R. Sale - 29-01-2017, 12:30 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (1) Originally posted as 'Heraldic quatrefoil' which seems to have gone missing in the recent situation. Ellie Velinska has an old post on this pattern.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. And JKP posted a recent example of a band composed of simple squares, each with four lines extending from the midpoint of each side going part way to the interior.  The pattern is found in heraldry. And once you know what you're looking for, it shows up fairly frequently either in banded patterns or as medieval wallpaper. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The interior markkings may be line or loops. Both occur in the VMs. The center may be pierced, dotted or unmarked. Heraldica shows the cinqfoil pierced and painted solid. In heraldry its use was minimal with the cinqfoil much preferred.  There is another version of a quatrefoil composed of four circles joined together, so I have added 'rectangular' to distinguish this variation.   Numbering Quire and pages Posted by: Wladimir D - 27-01-2017, 06:53 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (32) I begin again this topic. Linda, JKP please restore up their posts. All owners of the Latin language. Please tell me in the labels Quire is used Latin abbreviations? The last character "q" - this abbreviation Quire? Why in the designation Quire19, Quire20 no reduction? So it was decided? Nick wrote.   (in the end of this post) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I think that the absence of reductions in labels Quire19, Quire 20 could be an argument for fact that label Quire 19, Quire 20, written simultaneously, but later than other labels Quire of 1-17, in already stitch up the manuscript. So the labels found themselves opposite each other.   Crypto history event in Bratislava in 2017: Voynich presentations welcome! Posted by: kschmeh - 26-01-2017, 09:15 PM - Forum: News - Replies (11) Hi all, I would like to draw your attention to a European crypto history event scheduled for May 2017: THE EUROPEAN HISTORIC CIPHERS COLLOQUIUM (Euro HCC) Bratislava, Slovakia May 18th and 19th, 2017 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. This conference is expected to be the largest European crypto history event ever. As a member of the program committee, I would like to encourage you to propose a presentation. Of course, presentations about the Voynich Manuscript are highly welcome. Maybe we can make the Euro HCC the most important Voynich event since the Voynich 100! So, if you have an interesting Voynich topic to talk about, please hand in an abstract. Klaus Schmeh   [split] Overlap between both "plants" sections Posted by: -JKP- - 13-01-2017, 07:20 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (7) [Edit KG: this thread was originally in reply to this one: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ] It's a good example, Linda. I guess I was reluctant to ID You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as okra because okra leaves are typically more palmate (and more evenly serrated), but there is another reason I was shying away from okra (perhaps I shouldn't have)... it's because there is a plant in the small-plants section that I think might be okra and it is drawn very differently from Plant 8r. Okra is distinctive for its pods and they grow on either side of the stalk in pairs, as depicted in this VMS drawing on folio 101v: Note how the illustrator chose to depict the most distinctive part of the plant. I suspect this is true for many of the other plants, based on studying them in depth for several years. So... I shied away from okra for 8r because the leaves of okra are more variable than distinctive (I could be wrong, 8r might be okra)... but consider that the leaves of Petasites are the most distinctive aspect of the plant. I'm fairly certain 101v : 4 is okra. I'm willing to acknowledge that 8r could also be okra but I'm leaning away from it. I know it could be argued that maybe the big-plants section emphasizes a different part of the plant than the small-plants section (e.g., maybe one is for identification and one is for identifying the useful part of the plant), but once again, I looked into this in-depth, as well and, as far as I can see, when plants are duplicated in the small-plants section, they are drawn pretty much same as their counterpart in the big-plants section.   f8r Posted by: Anton - 12-01-2017, 08:50 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (15) The identifications of this plant have been: Th. Petersen: Paraenanthes, Atriplex hastata E. Sherwood: Pisum sativum Steve D: Tussilago farfara The Finnish biologist does not consider this plant. Of these three, methinks that Tussilago farfara is the best match. I'm not sure what does the small "pierced through" leaf stand for, though. Turning to the mnemonic side, I can't imagine what would these leaves and roots remind me. If the roots in this case do not bear any mnemonics altogether, then they look to me as simply resembling real roots of tussilago. As for leaves, folk names of tussilago in various languages have been pointing to a hoof. The large leaf can be thought of as resembling a hoof (when looking from the ground upwards), but, if a hoof, the depiction is surely not the best possible. So I am not sure. Are there any other proposed identifications from those who befriend botany? Sorry, corrected the thread name - should read f8r.   J. Janick interpretations of the VMS... Posted by: -JKP- - 12-01-2017, 06:54 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (33) DavidJackson kindly posted links to a collection of essays by J. Janick which interpret and support the Tucker New World theory. Since it's in the library section, it's not possible to comment on the individual articles. I read (with difficulty), the chapter on the zodiac section.  It was so full of errors, I had trouble getting through it and found myself unable to read the others (I didn't feel it was worth the time). However, mine is only one opinion, there may be others who feel differently or who want to address specific statements in the essays, so I thought I would start a thread in case others want to comment on his arguments and his conclusions.   VMS f56v: Cycad? Posted by: Sam G - 12-01-2017, 02:34 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (9) Edith Sherwood identifies the plant on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as a sago palm: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Turning to Wikipedia, I find that a sago palm is not actually a true palm at all, but a type of plant called a cycad: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. It seems that most if not all species of cycads have these characteristic cones that resemble the structure seen in f56v.  The Wikipedia article provides this image of a dying cycad cone, which is even closer in shape to the one in the VMS than the example provided by Edith Sherwood: Well, I do think You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. looks like it may be a cycad.  Is it?  What other contenders are there for the identity of this plant and its conspicuous cone-like structure? Also, here's a map from the Wikipedia article showing the approximate world distribution of living cycad species: First Previous Next Last