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f9r - don of tallahassee - 22-07-2016
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RE: f9r - Linda - 22-07-2016
![[Image: f009r_crd.jpg]](http://www.voynich.nu/q02/f009r_crd.jpg)
Hi Don,
Sorry but I can't see your ID in this plant diagram.
I always thought the leaves looked a bit like rampant lions.
![[Image: %24%28KGrHqRHJEUFGKed+f3wBRqij5,ntg~~60_35.JPG]](http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Medieval-rampant-heraldic-forest-green-Scottish-lion-vinyl-decals-stickers-/00/s/NjQ1WDY1MA==/z/eioAAMXQHU1Rqij5/%24%28KGrHqRHJEUFGKed+f3wBRqij5,ntg~~60_35.JPG)
I don't really see the bird head connection, and if so, why four of them in a pinwheel then, and why so deformed most of the time? I can see a bit of resemblance of the leaves of your identified plant but it's problematic that the flowers and root do not match your ID at all. Also I believe that other folios better represent possible geranium species elsewhere in the manuscript,for example f5r, f36r, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
I haven't made a final decision on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. yet but I tend toward Steve D's ID of Rumex crispus due to the fact that the flowers/seeds and roots match well and the leaves can somewhat be seen to match in that they are curly. Also the seeds look like lion heads with mane, making a possible connection with the rampant lion, and the plant is certainly rampant in its growth and spread with over 40000 seeds on a plant that can lie dormant for 50 years. Here are some pics to consider for this alternate ID:
![[Image: yellow-dock-root-2-88.jpg?w=533]](https://backwaterbotanics.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/yellow-dock-root-2-88.jpg?w=533)
![[Image: e0ecbd4eba27b9fe9ae11295c389defe.jpg]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e0/ec/bd/e0ecbd4eba27b9fe9ae11295c389defe.jpg)
![[Image: yellow%20dock%202.jpg]](https://www.herballygrounded.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/yellow%20dock%202.jpg)
![[Image: Rumex_crispus_plant.jpg]](http://www.missouriplants.com/Greenalt/Rumex_crispus_plant.jpg)
![[Image: rumex-crispus-fl-atal.jpg]](http://newfs.s3.amazonaws.com/taxon-images-1000s1000/Polygonaceae/rumex-crispus-fl-atal.jpg)
![[Image: Logos1218643578.jpg]](http://www.wildcrafting.net/forage/upload/display/Logos1218643578.jpg)
![[Image: root.jpg]](http://pick4.pick.uga.edu/nh/tx/Plantae/Dicotyledoneae/Polygonaceae/Rumex/crispus/images/root.jpg)
![[Image: rumex-crispus.jpg]](http://www.spicesmedicinalherbs.com/img/rumex-crispus.jpg)
RE: f9r - don of tallahassee - 23-07-2016
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RE: f9r - Linda - 25-07-2016
(23-07-2016, 10:08 PM)don of tallahassee Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Sorry, I don't think your plant ID shows the correct general leaf shape match or red stems, the two major characteristics of the VMS image.
As seems to be true with most VMS images, probably the most salient points in the VMS image are the most important, with other things in the background being more-or-less generic.
Please see today's answer to Psillycyber about his questions in the text portion of Voynich Ninja.
Thank you.
Don of Tallahassee
I agree that's why I was just going by the ID's I had collected for that page. I'll add yours to consider as well.