| Welcome, Guest |
You have to register before you can post on our site.
|
| Latest Threads |
Why not positional variat...
Forum: Analysis of the text
Last Post: oshfdk
1 hour ago
» Replies: 59
» Views: 7,764
|
Book Available on Amazon
Forum: News
Last Post: bi3mw
1 hour ago
» Replies: 1
» Views: 49
|
Eleven Moon Phases in Fol...
Forum: Astrology
Last Post: Dobri
2 hours ago
» Replies: 103
» Views: 8,883
|
f85v and 86(part): using ...
Forum: Analysis of the text
Last Post: Stefan Wirtz_2
4 hours ago
» Replies: 37
» Views: 2,592
|
Origin of the Shield Shap...
Forum: Imagery
Last Post: Dobri
Yesterday, 11:52 PM
» Replies: 99
» Views: 4,086
|
Always impressive
Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media
Last Post: Aga Tentakulus
Yesterday, 11:28 PM
» Replies: 14
» Views: 4,207
|
Solutions [discussion thr...
Forum: Voynich Talk
Last Post: davidd
Yesterday, 10:16 PM
» Replies: 55
» Views: 9,836
|
Favorite Plant Tournament...
Forum: Voynich Talk
Last Post: Koen G
Yesterday, 09:05 PM
» Replies: 5
» Views: 151
|
voynich dot net and its f...
Forum: News
Last Post: proto57
Yesterday, 01:55 PM
» Replies: 5
» Views: 404
|
Favorite Plant Tournament...
Forum: Voynich Talk
Last Post: MarcoP
Yesterday, 01:48 PM
» Replies: 20
» Views: 1,187
|
|
|
| Considered as visionary art |
|
Posted by: Charles Packer - 10-11-2016, 02:33 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
- Replies (16)
|
 |
Excuse my dropping in from out of left field, but I read in Nature
last week a review of a new book about the manuscript. Now I've
been studying Rene Zandbergen's gorgeous website devoted to it.
Has anybody ever suggested that the VMS is no more (or less) than
a prodigious piece of what nowadays we call outsider or visionary
art, that happens to include a faux script as part of its
invention? If not, I'd be glad to elaborate on the notion, drawing
on my background in psychology and art appreciation.
|
|
|
| Numbering 'Recipes' |
|
Posted by: Emma May Smith - 05-11-2016, 12:47 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
- Replies (19)
|
 |
Has anybody ever devised a numbering system for the paragraphs in Quire 20?
I know that we can refer to paragraphs by page number and paragraph number, but what I want is a way of referring to a specific paragraph easily. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. p4 is hard to remember, but Recipe 46 would be a lot more memorable.
I would like such numbers so I can easily draw parallels and links between them. I'm not certain they are recipes, but it is reasonable to suppose the are the same kind of thing, whatever that may be.
If the answer is no I will make a system myself, but I don't want to replicate the work somebody else has done.
|
|
|
|
| Similarities with V glyphs and alchemical figures |
|
Posted by: david - 02-11-2016, 08:46 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
- Replies (7)
|
|
Similarities between certain Voynich glyphs and alchemical notation have been noted by many researchers. But this may be a red herring - let's consider this for a minute.
First off, we need to consider dates.
A lot of this alchemical notation was invented post 16th century - it's Renaissance stuff. It wouldn't necessarily have been around in the 15th century.
Of course, that doesn't mean there isn't an overlap. The manuscript may not be 15th century - it could have been written in the early Renaissance, for if we accept the Rudolph II provenance then we have a terminus ante quem of around 1550 (or maybe later if we look up the date that the language teacher whose name I can't spell left Rudolph's staff - actually, have we ever had a proper debate about this? No, don't post here, I put a different thread on this subject).
So any alchemical notation that we find that is post-1550 must be considered derivative of the influences of this MS, and cannot be a source. We should bear this in mind when presenting such findings.
So to argue that the VM glyphs are derivatives of alchemical symbols, we must fit two givens into our arguments:
- The symbols presented must be pre-1550
- The symbols presented must have been in general circulation (for if they are unique to a certain author, then what we are essentially arguing is that that author must have had some influence on the scribe, for how else would he have seen them?)
But this period of time (early Renaissance) was a hotbed of intellectual fervour with plenty of independent chains of thought. It is not until after our terminus ante quem that we start to see a consolidation of intellectual rigour. In short, we have lots of people with spare time to think about things, but who haven't yet developed the sophisticated communication channels we see in the later Republic of Letters and the like. That's one of the reasons Rudolph's court was so famous, it was a pioneer in the creation of philosophy of a free intellectual interchange of ideas.
Which means what?
Well, I'm not going to go further down this path for the minute, as I want people to think about what I've just said, and consider the question: If this is an invented alphabet, what were the influences of the scribe?
IE, where did he get his shapes from?
And the reason this question is important, is because: if he got them from alchemical manuscripts, then he was probably involved in that world with all the resulting importance for the pictures. But if he got them from astronomical manuscripts, then the pictures will have a different interpretation. And if he got them from a medical background, we have a third interpretation for the pictures. Etc. And what's more, we can narrow this down a bit, because pre-1550 we have far fewer sources than post-1600.
|
|
|
|
|
![[Image: CwssvaVUQAAf9J3.jpg:large]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwssvaVUQAAf9J3.jpg:large)
![[Image: sunclock.png?w=840]](https://voynichnumerology.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/sunclock.png?w=840)