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Voynich text generation - ReneZ - 15-03-2019
Mostly for fun, but also to improve my understanding of the text, I occasionally play around with methods to generate text that looks like the Voynich MS text.
Just to show an example , the following is a very straightforward 'encoding' of a short piece of Italian.
This can still be tuned a lot, and I'll refrain for the moment from explaining how it was done.
However, it can be inverted exactly, i.e. a very simply process will turn this back into legible Italian (though spaces
are lost).
First in Eva, then in Voynichese:
Quote:oty chey shaiin cheaiin dokaiin ar shy qotsheshaiin dsol chcheol dsar dy
ol chsy dol cthaiin daiin char shchey dy otokchar aiin sain ckhaiin
ckheeaiin sheaiin chcheain okar ototaiin ar qokaiin chesheol shy seaiin dckhear dy
sy cthaiin dokaiin y dcthaiin dokaiin aiin sain dol y dar shokchol qotar dcthain aiin
ol shokchaiin shar sy ctheaiin doty ol dsy qotaiin ddy ain chear dy
oty chey Shaiin cheaiin dokaiin ar Shy qotSheShaiin dsol chcheol dsar dy
ol chsy dol cThaiin daiin char Shchey dy otokchar aiin sain cKhaiin
cKheeaiin Sheaiin chcheain okar ototaiin ar qokaiin cheSheol Shy seaiin dcKhear dy
sy cThaiin dokaiin y dcThaiin dokaiin aiin sain dol y dar Shokchol qotar dcThain aiin
ol Shokchaiin Shar sy cTheaiin doty ol dsy qotaiin ddy ain chear dy
Remarkably, the entropy of this text (skipping spaces) is:
1st order: 3.7705
conditional: 1.2110
I have clearly 'overdone' it with the conditional entropy.
I am aware that this is not exactly like Voynichese. Maybe I can do better in the next weeks.
Of course, everyone is invited to present similar experiments,
RE: Voynich text generation - -JKP- - 15-03-2019
This is what my long paper is about—describing and generating the text.
Unfortunately, I can't move the diagrams from the appendix to the main body this weekend after all... I have to go out of town to attend to some important business.
I really need a sabbatical.
RE: Voynich text generation - -JKP- - 15-03-2019
Speaking of text generation.
I don't have a sample, but it would be appropriate for a sample of Torsten Timm's text generation to be posted to this thread.
I don't know if Torsten is reading the forum these days, but if so, it would be nice to have a paragraph or so from his algorithm. If he's not around, maybe someone else can do it? I don't have time to download the software (which I assume is available on the Web?), but maybe someone already has it?
RE: Voynich text generation - DonaldFisk - 15-03-2019
(15-03-2019, 08:05 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Speaking of text generation.
I don't have a sample, but it would be appropriate for a sample of Torsten Timm's text generation to be posted to this thread.
I don't know if Torsten is reading the forum these days, but if so, it would be nice to have a paragraph or so from his algorithm. If he's not around, maybe someone else can do it? I don't have time to download the software (which I assume is available on the Web?), but maybe someone already has it?
You can also sample mine: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
And there's also Gordon Rugg's: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
RE: Voynich text generation - ReneZ - 16-03-2019
Thanks!
Gordon Rugg's text, and the text of Torsten Timm (of which I can't remember seeing a sample) are both arbitrary texts, i.e. they don't encode a meaningful text. If I understand correctly, the same is true for yours.
That is fine of course, but I am also interested in Voynich look-alike text that represents a meaningful text. Perhaps even more.
RE: Voynich text generation - -JKP- - 16-03-2019
Quote:Rene: That is fine of course, but I am also interested in Voynich look-alike text that represents a meaningful text. Perhaps even more.
Ah! That is a completely different question.
- Creating text that is very close to the VMS demonstrates an understanding of its structure. Rugg's text does not look like Voynich text. I don't even have to search the text to know that certain combinations (many of them, actually) are completely invalid and are NOT in the VMS.
- Creating text that is very close to the VMS text AND is meaningful is stepping it up another order of magnitude and is quite a difficult task.
RE: Voynich text generation - -JKP- - 16-03-2019
I looked at your text again, René and even though I can tell instantly it's not Voynichese, it is pretty good and much closer to Voynichese than Rugg's pseudo-Voynichese.
Even though it doesn't generate meaningful text, I would still be interested in seeing some of Torsten's text to see how it compares to yours and Rugg's in terms of fidelity to original VMS text.
RE: Voynich text generation - -JKP- - 16-03-2019
I didn't want to try this until I was back home, but I simply can't resist.
Okay, this is NOT good Voynichese, but I did this in less than 15 minutes and I know if I had an hour or so to work on it (which I don't right now) I could do much better, but here is a quick and dirty example...
These are grammatically correct sentences in a major medieval language. The passage is from a well-known text:
RE: Voynich text generation - DonaldFisk - 16-03-2019
(16-03-2019, 07:12 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks!
Gordon Rugg's text, and the text of Torsten Timm (of which I can't remember seeing a sample) are both arbitrary texts, i.e. they don't encode a meaningful text. If I understand correctly, the same is true for yours.
That is fine of course, but I am also interested in Voynich look-alike text that represents a meaningful text. Perhaps even more.
I'd be able to encode a meaningful text (e.g. by replacing random inputs by ASCII codes) but I the reverse process would not be possible as information would be lost.
RE: Voynich text generation - bi3mw - 16-03-2019
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. does not look like Voynichese, but it could if you manipulate the charset
