Searcher > 08-03-2019, 11:37 PM
Linda > 09-03-2019, 03:06 AM
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Linda > 09-03-2019, 08:52 PM
Searcher > 09-03-2019, 10:54 PM
Linda > 09-03-2019, 11:50 PM
(09-03-2019, 10:54 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi!
Linda, of course, I can't answer all your questions above! I just tried to understand what those 79 successive tubes can mean therefore searched for any similar number in a particular context to understand what they may imply. It doesn't look accidental, I mean, this sequence.
Quote:I gathered all I found in my post, but you likely imagine that I'm inclined to consider alchemical context. You are right that men and women in different clothes are hardly associated with the time of impurity and purification for a woman. Although different men and women could be something like at this picture below, I after all doubt. But who knows!
Quote:Different look and gender of human figures can mean many different things, to identify them, we need to find exact match, and I'm not sure we will get it soon, although it would be great.
Quote:Talking about alchemical context, I'd consider it more possible. Unfortunately, alchemy is not so easy thing, and it never was depicted so detailed, day by day. I must confess that all this is pretty interesting from that angle. Although we can see some men in the Zodiacal diagrams, we must note that in general the VMs, including the Quire 13 have pronounced feminine spirit. The zodiacal circles are not an exclusion. Pisces is feminine sign, 80 days refers rather to female in any sense (religious or alchemical). The story about Gabricus and Beya discribes an alchemical process which lasts 80 days, and this process is the feminine (Lunar) stage of the Great work. It includes blackness and whiteness (putrefaction and purification), the intermediate stage between them - peacock's tail. Beya ruled in that stage as she absorbed the groom to death in her embraces but due to this Gabricus was purified and became perfect. Clothes can mean a material shell which covers a soul, and then a soul purifies and gets away from it. Pay attention that almost always souls are depicted naked, for example,
Giovanni di Paolo - Divina Commedia, about 1444-50, detail from f.130
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I did think that as well, within the context of the ages, these unclothed nymphs would be civilizations no longer extant. I am not sure if that is the same for quire 13, i think they show the contemporary cultures there, even though they are unclothed, but more for the reason as to remove local custom from the equation, treat them all the same.
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So, those 79 tubes may mean only first stage but the rest is another next stages, remeber about three crowns, to the point. No doubt, all this are only guesses anyway but all the pecularities, as I think, must not be unnoticed. Containers must contain something. If there would be tubes in september, octomber and further, I'd think about vine (barrels of vine)
Anton > 10-03-2019, 12:40 AM
Linda > 10-03-2019, 12:59 AM
(10-03-2019, 12:40 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi, I can't read the whole discussion for the moment, but given that two Zodiac signs are missing, the total would not be 79, would it?
Searcher > 10-03-2019, 01:40 PM
(10-03-2019, 12:40 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi, I can't read the whole discussion for the moment, but given that two Zodiac signs are missing, the total would not be 79, would it?If the last two diagrams contained the depiction of humans in barrels, could they be considered successive to the rest 79 barrels at the beginning? It would be understandable if the sequence of zodiacal signs would be usual, but it is quite not usual (beginning with Pisces) and most likely intended. Therefore I think that, talking about the limited process in the limits of the annual term, it is hard to imagine direct relations between the beginning and the end, i. e., if the 12th diagram has humans in barrels, they can be quite another barrels.
VViews > 10-03-2019, 04:17 PM