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Presentation of Siloe facsimile with S.Bax and R.Zandbergen Posted by: MarcoP - 07-11-2017, 07:05 PM - Forum: News - Replies (9) Next Friday, November 10th, in Burgos, Siloe will present its facsimile of the VMS. Stephen Bax and Rene Zandbergen will take part to the event. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Three-section orbs Posted by: -JKP- - 04-11-2017, 10:31 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (94) A place to collect medieval orbs that are divided into three sections (the basic shape of an inverted T inside an O)—cosmological, religious, philosopher's stone,e tc. I'm adding some links to get it started, without commentary, because I haven't investigated this subject. Note that a few of these are conceptual rather than explicit inverted T-in-O, with labels rather than a line (e.g., leau et la terre):           Glass fragment 14th or 15th c            Grimani Breviary c. 1490–1502                You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 14th c               BL Harley 334 Image Credit: numisantica.com                                                                      See also p. 30 (sheep in orb)       Charlemagne w' orb (BL 15th c)    Jerusalem inside orb, German c. 16th c   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. These don't quite qualify, but may be related to some that do:     Von Bingen - divided into four           Antwerp 1524 water/earth, cloudband, fire.                                                                       Ptolemy effect, sort of T-O-ish   Voynich’s Viennese Agency Posted by: voynichbombe - 03-11-2017, 12:44 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (34) This is a continuation snipped from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I was wondering if a more accurate dating for Voynich’s catalogue #31 would be possible. R. Prinke on the VMS ML archive names a rather rough timeframe of 1903-1915. X. Ceccaldi on the same list says “after 1915”. Anthony (surname avoided) states “after 1911”, etc. Of course this probably more has to do with the “spy” activities of the Voynichs, which stopped sometimes before or during WWI. But what would an agency do for the Voynichs? It sounds like a headquarter but maybe not like a stash of bookes at display. It seems peculiar that the word “agency” is printed in italics on the catalogue cover, yet the address is reproduced slightly wrong: Correct would be “Peter-Jordan-Straße” instead of “Gasse”. It was named like this by the senate in 1904. Also, the house n° 27 happens to be in the 19th district, as the street now spans two districts, but it was built to this length only after 1909. A.S. Levetus must be Amelia Sarah Levetus, a very interesting figure. She was an art historian and one of the first women to lecture on economics at the viennese university, etc. Essentially, what she did in house °27 was to run a language school, “She owned and taught at an English language school where she also organised a conversation club, the John Ruskin Club, which boasted a diverse programme of events and guest lectures on British history, culture and politics and offered trips to the UK”. If you are interested, let’s try and add some pieces to the puzzle.   Centre of stars Posted by: davidjackson - 31-10-2017, 04:21 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (7) In a moment of madness I started double checking the numbers mentioned in this poll: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Of course, all the numbers seemed correct. However, a number of these stars appears to have a washed out circle in the middle, so I'd like to discuss that, as well as the fact that many of the unpainted ones also have a dot off-centre. An example of the washed out circles in the centres (f103r) - see it? I don't remember any discussion being made of this before There's also the fact that a number of stars have dots in the centre of them (f103r again) Any thoughts on why this might be? Is it a failed ink that has faded over time?   How correctly transcribe "bench" with an apostrophe? Posted by: Wladimir D - 30-10-2017, 04:41 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (1) I met the statements of the MB researchers on not correctness of the transcription of sh "bench" with an apostrophe. I also have a doubt. Let's start the discussion on the left side of the bench (S).  Along with the ordinary symbol "c + '  ", there is an elongated form, with the help of the horizontal bar, "c-". Figures 5, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. (6, 8, 10 are examples of the same words, but with the usual S). And in some cases, the line is intentionally painted fatter than the apostrophe, that there is a difference in comparison with "S". The most interesting is Figure 13, since here this ligature is used as a line label, and the crossbar can not be qualified as a connecting line. There are two cases of writing a dash (crossbar) together with an apostrophe issuing from the right end of the crossbar, but without the initial "e" symbol. Fig. 16 and 17. It follows that such a long version of the left side of the bench can not be transcribed as S. There are a large number of benches in which the "i" symbol is used as the left foot. There are cases when such benches are written together with an apostrophe. Fig. 1-4. How can they be transcribed? There are 3 options.  1 / r + h by analogy with sh, when the left leg is  -"e". 2 / i + h + '       h with an apostrophe. 3 / The apostrophe belongs to the crossbar. This is the code 164 V101 Fig. 18, 19 as a line label and very similar to the presence of this code in the text - Fig. 20.   I'm a supporter of the third option. Perhaps the ligatures in examples 16-20 are equivalent.   СКАМЕЙКА С АПОСТРОФОМ.JPG (Size: 121.66 KB / Downloads: 84) To be continued. YOUR CONSIDERATIONS?     f75v: right margin Posted by: MarcoP - 30-10-2017, 01:35 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (6) At the top of the right margin of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there is a peculiar column of six characters (possibly s l l o r s). They only partially align with the text (in particular, the characters are six, but they only span five lines). Have you seen similar things in the VMS or in other manuscripts? Attached Files   75v.jpg (Size: 64.63 KB / Downloads: 127)   [split] The Strange Thing on 116v Posted by: bi3mw - 29-10-2017, 05:22 PM - Forum: Marginalia - Replies (49) Looking at the "strange thing" on folio 116v, I wonder if maybe an oven is shown. The side view of an oven is illustrated in the Washington Haggadah ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  ). Matzo is baked, a bread made from unleavened dough. Eating this bread, as well as eating  an "immaculate" lamb all up, is part of the Passover Seder in Judaism ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , Yehuda, Rothschild Haggadah, Northern Italy, c. 1450 ). In the Christian tradition it was ( and still is ) customary to make different bakery products at Easter, but there is no fixed recipe. Accordingly diverse are these products. In German-speaking regions for example, there are many regional (early modern high German) names for this (ger.) "Gebildbrot": greding, gredmich, gredman or gredling.... Easter lambs were still slaughtered in the late Middle Ages, but mostly in the Greek Orthodox Tradition. - Illustrations of the Bible also show the preparation of a lamb ( see image no. 3, Historien Bibel, Germany, between 1375 and 1400, MS M.268, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  ). These ovens have no similarity to "the thing" on f116v. Edit: The man on image no. 2 has a prominent goiter caused by iodine deficiency. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  is an explanation ( Kohn, Rachael,  The Washington Haggadah by Joel ben Simeon: a Fifteenth Century Manuscript from the Library of Congress, The Australian Journal of Jewish Studies,  January 1, 2012 ).   Central European origin Posted by: ReneZ - 29-10-2017, 11:13 AM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (35) Quote:... in the late 1990s when this rather silly 'central European' storyline was first produced ... The "Census of Medieval and Renaissance Manuscripts in The United States and Canada", by Seymour De Ricci, with the assistance of W. J. Wilson, was first published in 1937. In vol. II, on pp.1845-1848 it describes the MSs included in "The estate of Wilfrid M. Voynich", New York. Entry nr. 8 has: Quote:8. Cipher ms. Vel. (date uncertain, authorities hesitate between the XIIIth and XVth c.; we suppose it to be not much older than 1500), [...skipped...] The country of origin seems to be some part of Central Europe. [...skipped...] It was later in the Collegio Romano, in Rome, [...lots skipped...] This description was almost certainly provided by Anne Nill. This is just 7 years after the death of Voynich, and in a way marks a break with the Roger Bacon tradition. In the Beinecke library there is a carbon copy of a letter from Nill to De Ricci giving an earlier version of this description which is much shorter. At the time, Nill was working for W.J. Wilson, and compiling the index of this catalogue. Wilson was personally interested in this MS. In 1937, Nill received a letter from the UK shop that was just being closed. This included the paper slips with the reference to the private library of P.Beckx, which gave away the origin of the collection of MSs that included the Voynich MS. The above text, which includes this connection, must have been a last-minute change, made possible by the direct connection of Anne Nill with the publication.   There are 131 large plant folios in the Voynich Manuscript Posted by: VViews - 26-10-2017, 09:37 AM - Forum: Approved blocks - Replies (22) There are 129 full-page plant illustration pages, aka Large Plant pages) in the Voynich Manuscript. These are as follows: Quire 1-7: on f1v-56v (109 illustrations, f12 is missing) Quire 8: on 57r, 65r & v, 66v (4 illustrations) Quire 15: on 87r & v; 90r1, r2, v1, v2 (6 illustrations) Quire 17: on 93r-96v (10 illustrations) Among these, there are a few instances where two plants are depicted on a single page. These are: f27r, f40v, f42r, f43v, f87v. There is also the ambiguous f35v, which could be two plants, or one. Another way of looking at this total then, is to say there are 134 large plants depicted in the Voynich Manuscript (or 135 if we count You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as two plants). But it is unclear to me whether some of these pages that show two plants are meant to depict two stages of growth of the same plant or two distinct plants. There are 324 stars in Q20 Posted by: VViews - 26-10-2017, 07:34 AM - Forum: Approved blocks - Replies (17) The text only section in Q20 features 324 stars in the margins. The breakdown per folio is the following - 1st number: total stars per folio - 2nd and 3rd numbers in parentheses: number of these stars  to which red paint has been applied (fully red stars/red center only): 103r: 19 (7/0) 103v: 14 (0/7) 104r: 13 (5/2) 104v: 13 (0/7) 105r: 10 (0/6) 105v: 10 (0/5) 106r: 16 (0/8) 106v: 14 (0/7) 107r: 15 (0/8) 107v: 15 (0/8) 108r: 16 (5/0) 108v: 16 (0/8) 109-110 missing 111r: 17 (0/9) 111v: 19 (0/10) 112r: 12 (0/6) 112v: 13 (0/7) 113r: 16 (0/8) 113v: 15 (0/8) 114r: 13 (0/7) 114v: 12 (0/6) 115r: 13 (0/7) 115v: 13 (0/7) 116r: 10 (0/5) Total stars: 324 Total stars to which red paint has been applied: 163 (17/146) First Previous Next Last