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| The Tepenecz signature in book no. 4: a concern |
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Posted by: Kestrel - 18-05-2019, 04:47 PM - Forum: Provenance & history
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Hello everyone,
I have a major concern in relation to "Jacobj à Tepenecz No 4" inscription in the copy of the 1553 Dialecta Aristotelis held by the Czech National Library, as discussed on Rene's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. I haven't seen this issue addressed anywhere, and would be interested in your thoughts.
My concern doesn't relate to the signature itself, but rather to the "No 4" that follows it. There are two strokes through it, in contrast to the "No 7" and "No 18" in two of the other signed items, both of which have a single stroke.
Photos of the Tepenecz signature on the Voynich Manuscript (f1r) certainly give an initial impression that the signature is followed by a "No" with two lines through it. However, examination of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. reveals that the lower line is merely an optical illusion. The eye joins up the lower left portion of the single stroke (to the right of the letter "N"), with two blobs of ink on the letter "N" itself, and finally with "o" to the right, to create the appearance of a second line. But there is, in fact, no continuous line of ink. There is only one through stroke.
In other words, "Jacobj à Tepenecz No 4" reproduces a feature of the Voynich Manuscript signature that isn't really there. I find this disconcerting. Another obvious discrepancy is that "No 7" and "No 18" (both clearly genuine) are followed by a dot, whereas "No 4" is not. Also (although this is subjective opinion) I feel that "No 4," with its laborious double lines, looks very contrived in comparison to "No 7" and "No 18," with their natural, free-flowing single strokes.
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| [split] f16r |
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Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 14-05-2019, 12:13 AM - Forum: Imagery
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(13-05-2019, 10:40 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So what we are seeing could be two monks who are being encouraged to celibacy by this plant. It would be interesting to find out more about this belief.
In fact, it makes sense that two heads are drawn. Like testicles.
chaste tree or monks pepper is found on page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and was used to stop those pesky urges. lol.
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| 9 rosette castle location |
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Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 13-05-2019, 08:33 PM - Forum: Imagery
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The 9 rosette folio castle depiction with mountain and waterways (3rd circle top) is very similar to the hill top Castle of Nafpaktos in Greece. They also found a Turkish bath house during excavtions.
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including the wall and tower at the end of the long wall to the harbor
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Some pictures still show the V shaped walls that have not crumbled.
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| The top left hand loop of the gallows characters is a 4. Who disagrees? |
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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 13-05-2019, 07:23 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I am completely convinced that the top left hand loop of the gallows characters is a "4" rather than a "q", but I am intrigued as to how much disagreement there is in this.(There could in theory be some isolated exceptions to this I suppose, but overall it seems pretty clear to me.)
This seems an important point in the context of the Voynich script and its origins whether it is "q" or a "4". Also it makes it have something in common with the "4o" character. A "4" would be very consistent with diplomatic cipher alphabets and not with for example the glagolitic alphabet where a "q" shape would be more consistent.
I have an idea as to how this can be demostrated, but it would be worth knowing the extent of the disagreement to this before proceeding.
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| f33r |
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Posted by: -JKP- - 13-05-2019, 03:14 AM - Forum: Imagery
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Okay, it took me 3 hours to gather all the pictures. Unfortunately, many of the better ones were on the stock photo sites, so I can't use those, and it took a long time to find others, but there were enough on Wikipedia to get the idea across.
I still have to paste them into a chart and label the chart, but as soon as I've done that I will add it to my 33r blog and make it live again. I'll drop a note when I'm done (I might take a break and have dinner in between).
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| Text layout at the bottom of 75v |
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Posted by: VViews - 10-05-2019, 02:33 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Hi everyone,
here are some questions I can't make up my mind about.
What exactly is going on with the text layout at the bottom of f75v?
Here's the part I'm referring to:
![[Image: 75vbottom.png]](https://voynichviews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/75vbottom.png)
A paragraph begins with a pretty standard big gallows and "Por shey okain chedy kol sheol olchedy"... but after the seventh word the line is broken off.
Where does the text continue? To the right of the pool (kolkedy...) or to the left?
If to the left, which words are the continuation of that line, and which ones are labels?
What about the words in the three short lines in the bottom left corner:
okedy qeky tedar oly
solchedy solkedy
qokeedy qokol olkol
Are these considered as a standalone mini paragraph or are they the beginning of three lines of text that continue to the right of the pool?
Also, Voynichese.com's identification of some of the words to the left of the pool here as labels, but not all, is confusing.
Why are otal, opal, okeey and lol not counted as labels, when olol, to my eyes not different, is counted as a label?
How did Voynichese.com determine which ones of these words are labels or not?
![[Image: 75vbottomlabel.png]](https://voynichviews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/75vbottomlabel.png)
There are probably no definitive answers, but I'm interested in hearing what you guys think about these questions.
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| VMS = The “BOOK OF DUNSTAN” |
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Posted by: Wladimir D - 09-05-2019, 11:03 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I think that it was not for nothing that I spent 5 hours of my life studying the work at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . I learned a lot of new things historically about Dee and Kelly.
Renee, what is your opinion on the history of events?
The original proposal for the appointment of “o” zero (regulatory) symbol.
But there are a number of questions to the author.
Surprisingly, the translation of the word daiin is the same for me and the author - plant!
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