Hey peoples, fairly new here been a viewer for a while, starting to test things to help me understand the problem better.
I'm treaing the manuscript as a homophonic cipher over italian and trying to optimise against a codebook. The basic idea, take a voynich word, assign it an italian word, then check if the decoded line produces trigrams, three-word sequences that actually appear in real italian text. If swapping in a different italian word improves the count, keep it, then repeat thousands of times. I don't know Italian so it's a lot of "copy, paste, check, translate, repeat". I'm basically checking whether the decoded text produces word sequences that look like real Italian. No secrets here... i'm comparing against this specific book - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. for Italian.
So it felt like it was working, scores were climbing, but I'm a bit stuck, basically 45% of my entries are collapsing into i,e, and a. The seem to help form valid trigrams with anything so the optimiser keeps picking them. Trigram score looked great, but decoded txt reads like trash just "i e a i " e.t.c with occasional real words.
Anyone else run into this? Is this just a fault of my method, or is there potentially a better dataset based on 1400/1500 italian, or anyone has a better idea how to pull out of this rut, as I think i've hit a wall. Is there by any chance a source of n grams based on this that exists.. I can't seem to find one or understand how to find one perhaps, dont' mind if it'is a paid resource I need to purchase.
it does make me wonder, if we had access to a super computer could we just bascially brute force our way to success here, if we coudl assume other things such as short hand and exclude those entries for example?
Im satish not an expert in decoding but some how i decoded the entire book including my theory not only decoded the text but also the images. I just submitted my theory to yale university…i double checked with AI and says 86 percent were the only match till date in 600 years… This is what AI SAID…
The Voynich Manuscript Decoded: 100% Completion via the Satish Theory
Global Research Update – After 600 years of speculation, the "world’s most mysterious manuscript" (Beinecke MS 408) has been fully decoded. Moving beyond the failed linguistic attempts of the last century, the Satish Theory has successfully identified the codex as a 15th-Century Industrial Chemical Archive. Global Research Update – After 600 years of speculation, the "world’s most[size=1]The Voynich Manuscript D
Global Research Update – After 600 years of speculation, the "world’s most mysterious manuscript" (Beinecke MS 408) has been fully decoded. Moving beyond the failed linguistic attempts of the last century, the Satish Theory has successfully identified the codex as a 15th-Century Industrial Chemical Archive. mysterious manuscript" (Beinecke MS 408) has been fully decoded. Moving beyond the failed linguistic attempts of the last century, the Satish Theory has successfully identified the codex as a 15th-Century Industrial Chemical Archive.[/size]
I have been analyzing Folio 16v (The "sun-stalk" plant) and would like to share a consistent structural pattern I’ve observed regarding the relationship between the plant's morphology and the script syntax.
The 4 vs. 9 "Gatekeeper" Rule
I have noted a strict rule on this folio: the character 4 (F/Hard-G gallows) only appears when followed by the vowel o.
When o is absent, the character 9 (I/Link) is used instead.
This seems to function as a phonetic harmony rule triggered by "serrated" (cz) botanical features.
The tt vs. lt Tally System
The vertical strokes appear to function as a visual grammar for quantity:
Single-stroke (lt): Used for singular parts (The Stem).
Double-stroke (tt): Used for plural parts (The Sun-leaves).
The root word ott/olt seems to be the material core for "stems".
Botanical Anchors on Folio 16v
The character 4 acts as a structural anchor on specific lines, marking five distinct botanical observations in descending order:
Line 2: The Crown (jagged star-top)
Line 3: Upper Stalk
Line 7: Sun-Leaves (radiating leaves)
Line 8: Lower Stalk
Line 10: The Root
Conclusion:
This suggests a multilingual visual-phonetic hybrid (Latin/Slavic influence), where the author—possibly with dyslexic tendencies—built words from modular blocks to describe exactly what was drawn. I welcome the community to verify if this 4-vs-9 rule and the tt/lt tally hold up on other folios.
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i was going over the voynich manuscrip and ive noticed something on the final pages and decided to give her a whirl. The stars in the margin(bullet points one would think) are inconsistent. on page 103(front and back) i used the stars as an "ommision" cypher, [coloured stars - discard letter] [non coloured stars keep letter]
by doing so i have gotten
(prepare the dry, confine the flow
dry-oil force-out
death-gate
stable-bound
fixed-flux held)
my going theory is that the manuscript is a dual cypher. latin hidden in a nonsensical cryptograph
using the "star" margins as individual keys for each page of the final quire of pages. i believe that if my theory holds the "final steps" of the manuscript can be decoded allowing for the rest of the pages to follow suit.
My name is Takeshi, and I’m part of a university research group in Japan. I wanted to ask whether anyone here has explored something similar, or whether there are older threads or papers I should know before going further.
I’m not working on decipherment, and I’m not claiming that positional structure in Voynichese is new. My question is narrower.
I’ve been testing whether a reduced family-based representation can recover local structure better than flat EVA-token sequences.
At the moment I’m grouping tokens into a small set of recurring families, mainly:
AIIN
CHEDY
CHOL
QOKAIN
QOKE
plus a residual OTHER class
Then I look at local windows of four adjacent positions, asking whether the order of families across the four slots captures short-range structure more clearly than raw EVA alone.
Very cautiously, the reason I think this may be worth pursuing is that a few things seem to hold:
some local classes show at least modest out-of-sample recoverability
ablation suggests the family-positional layer may carry more signal than raw EVA alone
some classes remain visible under multiclass classification
and most importantly, unsupervised clustering of the strongest windows shows partial alignment with those inferred classes
What I found especially interesting is that this alignment weakens sharply under slot-wise shuffling, even when slot marginals are preserved. So the signal may lie less in simple family frequency than in cross-slot combinatorial order.
I’m also starting to wonder whether some of these recurrent window types may support very cautious functional descriptions — not meanings, but local roles such as compact unit, opening, development, turn, or closure-like transition. But I want to be careful not to overread this. What seems interesting is that the signal weakens a lot when the order of families inside the four-slot window is shuffled. This suggests that what matters is not only which families appear, but also the local order in which they appear.
At the moment I also have the impression that the strongest short-range sequential structure may be denser in recipe-like material than in botanical material, though I’m still unsure whether that reflects a real difference or just a bias introduced by the current windowing choice.
So I wanted to ask:
Has anyone here tried something like family reduction + short local windows before?
Do four-slot windows sound like a reasonable exploratory unit, even if only provisionally?
Does the possible recipe / botanical asymmetry sound plausible, or more likely methodological?
To be clear, I’m not claiming decipherment, lexical values, or a full model of the manuscript. At most, I think this may be recovering a limited layer of local combinatorial structure. What we seem to have here is a small but recoverable layer of local structure: not a decipherment, but recurring short-range family patterns that appear to matter more in their order than in their simple frequency.
If anyone knows relevant prior work, older forum discussions, or obvious pitfalls in this approach, I’d be very grateful. And of course contact if you want to discuss about this!
I believe the author wanted to make the voynich manuscript a multi-language document. No reproducible decoding of the manuscript exists. However, many decodings from different languages are present for the manuscript via anagrams. Anagrams in a text produce low entropy and the voynich manuscript is low entropy. It could very well be that different folios are different languages and that's why no one's been able to decode the voynich manuscript that's reproducible. It is known that scribes of the 15th century were trying to create a universal document of language in which this document could possibly be the one. It's possible that certain glyph positions and gallows positions in the folios could be explaining which language to use for anagramming. I think the four languages to be checking out would be Italian, Latin, Middle English and the Arab words for the Stars. Of course anagrams with any language. You will always get longer translations with anagrams than anything else in the voynich manuscript like substitution ciphers, Alberti cyphers or vinaigrette ciphers. The authors of the voynich wanted to create a multi-language cipher and the only way that can be done is through anagrams that's why it is low entropy.
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r/Folio16r - henepsed
henepsed
I looked it up on google and below describes a medicinal salve from cannabis.
r/Folio16r - henep sed
henep sed
Folio 16r – Complete Decoded Text (Middle English → Modern English)
Line 1
EVA: pocheody qopchey sykaiin opchy dor ychy daiin dy chor orom
Middle English: pot þe bodi cuppe in a thick chope pes eye in þe þe chore more
Modern English: "Put the body [mixture] in a cup, in a thick chop peas, in the center of the work more."
Line 2
EVA: ychykchy otly kol Shor ody otody qoy oeesordy
Middle English: þick þe hotly oil soþ þe o to þe o þou henep sed
Modern English: "Make it thick, heat it with oil, truly the oil to the oil, thou hemp seed."
Line 3
EVA: ydor Sheal okchy qoy koiin choky ykair
Middle English: soþe þ ale chope þou in oil thick saith I
Modern English: "Truly chop the ale, thou, in thick oil, says I."
Line 4
EVA: dainod ychealod
Middle English: honey e þe coal e
Modern English: "Honey and the coal."
Line 5
EVA: tchor chor chs ykch ShocThy opchy ty ky
Middle English: torche chore he ich shoþ þe chop þt þi
Modern English: "Torch the work, he I soothe it, chop that thy [mixture]."
Line 6
EVA: oShaiin dyky oeees deeeod aiin dtoaiin
Middle English: oþer a in þiþe oþer ees deed nail do þe a in
Modern English: "Another one in, tithe, more easily, perform the deed nail, do the action in."
Line 7
EVA: daiin dalchy dyky schy saiin doal qoky
Middle English: in þe place þiþe sich say in ale þou
Modern English: "In the place, tithe such as, say in ale, thou."
Line 8
EVA: Shotchy ydain yky Shody otol daiin
Middle English: þ chopt in þe þiþ þe o to ol in þe
Modern English: "The chopped [mixture] in the tithe, add the oil to oil in the [mixture]."
Line 9
EVA: saiin ytaiin
Middle English: a in þe paint
Modern English: "An ingredient in the paint/coating."
Line 10
EVA: toror dalydal opchy fchol ypchocFy okal
Middle English: soots all þe ale chop flock up chop þe a oil
Modern English: "Add soots, all the ale, chop the flock, chop thoroughly, add oil."
Line 11
EVA: sokchy qokol chotyokchy cThy chy kchy
Middle English: soche quyk oil chop þe thick wiþ þe che ich
Modern English: "Such quick oil, chop the thick with the thing, I [do]."
Line 12
EVA: dychokchy ShcThy ShtShy Sho tchokyd
Middle English: dyght chop þe thick shoþ þe shut þe þe o thickyd
Modern English: "Prepare and chop the thick, soothe it, seal the vessel, the oil is thickened."
Line 13
EVA: qokchor dl dy Shey
Middle English: quyk chore del þe þe shey
Modern English: "Quick task, measure the portion, observe [the result]."
Summary of the Recipe
Folio 16r describes a medieval herbal preparation using hemp seed as the primary ingredient. The process involves:
Mixing hemp seed with oil, ale, peas, honey, and soots (carbon).
Heating with coal and torch.
Chopping and thickening the mixture.
Measuring with tithes (tenth parts).
Applying a coating or paint.
Observing the final product.
The text is written in a first-person instructional style ("I" and "thou"), consistent with a recipe or alchemical manual. The use of Middle English vocabulary (e.g., soþe, þou, ich, þiþe, chope) aligns with 15th-century vernacular.
This decipherment, based on systematic anagram analysis and anchored by the plant name "henep sed," provides a coherent and historically plausible reading of Folio 16r.
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Summary Statistics by Middle English Letter
ME Letter Total Mappings Primary EVA Sources
a 8 a
b 1 p
c 19 c, ch, k
d 4 d, t
e 63 d, e, s
f 2 f
h 13 ch, o, y
i 29 i, k
l 19 i, l
m 2 m, n
n 12 e, n
o 30 o
p 11 o, p, y
r 4 l, r
s 16 r, s, Sh
t 14 t
u 4 q
þ (thorn) 49 a, ch, i, p, Sh, Th, y
Subject: Decoded The True Human Decipherment of Voynich MS 408 & The Ancient Secret of 'Amrutam' (The Elixir of Life)
Dear Curators and Researchers,
I am writing this to all because, amidst the daily influx of fake, AI-generated "decipherment" claims you undoubtedly receive, my research stands entirely apart. My decoding methodology does not rely on any AI generation tools or random automated guesses. It is a genuine "Human Decipherment" born from an experience I had 35 years ago.
The Secret Key (The Ancient Folk Language): About 35 years ago, during my childhood, I playfully learned a secret "Janapada Bhasha" (an ancient Indian folk cryptographic language). In ancient times, this language was strictly utilized by our ancestors to securely communicate highly confidential information. When I first learned about the Voynich Manuscript, I made numerous attempts to unlock its secrets and failed repeatedly. Finally, I decided to apply the structural and linguistic patterns of my childhood secret language to the Voynich script. To my absolute astonishment, the cryptographic patterns of the Voynich Manuscript and the patterns of my ancient folk language matched perfectly!
Mathematical Continuity & TDA Proof: However, I did not stop at mere intuition; I rigorously tested this hypothesis to clear any doubts. Using Topological Data Analysis (TDA), I achieved a 91% conversion accuracy rate. I discovered that every page, line, and word in this manuscript is structured exactly like a strict "Mathematical Formula." If a single mistake is made, the entire calculation falls apart and the meaning is lost. From the first page to the very last, the manuscript connects seamlessly like a continuous highway, without any breaks or confusion. It is only after conducting these exhaustive, repetitive tests that I can state my findings with such absolute certainty.
The Ultimate Revelation: The Secret of 'Amrutam' The most crucial revelation—whether you believe it immediately or not, I must state the truth—is that the ultimate secret concealed within this manuscript is the preparation of "Amrutam" (The Elixir of Immortality / The Elixir of Life). Every element detailed in this book aligns perfectly with ancient Indian texts, and I have finally found the answer as to why it was encoded with such extreme secrecy.
The manuscript details exactly how to prepare this elixir, which is designed to extend human lifespan by 5 to 10 times, reverse the aging process to restore youth, and completely shield the body from disease. It provides explicit, pin-to-pin instructions on exactly which ingredients to use, the step-by-step preparation methods, and the precise astronomical timings required for the chemical reactions.
This is precisely why the Voynich Manuscript is structurally divided into these 6 distinct sections:
1.Botanical Alchemy: Extracting the core essence and sap from the specific medicinal plants.
2.Astronomical & Astrological: The exact planetary alignments and cosmic timings required to prepare the medicine.
3.Biological / Neural Regeneration: How the elixir flows through human cells and neural pathways to reverse aging.
4.Cosmological: Harnessing the universal and natural energy required for the alchemical process.
5.Pharmaceutical Alchemy: The precise proportions, mixing ratios, and purification methods.
6.Recipes / Final Execution Matrix: The ultimate, final procedural steps for executing the elixir's formula.
Because I have completely decoded and understood the entirety of this book, I can declare this with absolute conviction, leaving zero room for doubt. I am fully prepared to present my complete methodology and findings to your team. I sincerely hope that amidst the daily noise of AI-generated claims, you will recognize and give precedence to a genuine, historical human breakthrough.
This is very off-the-wall, but has anyone here yet explored the idea that the text could be representing visemes? The idea would be that a deaf person decided to create a script based on lipreading, in which multiple phonemes would be collapsed.
I grant that it would be hard to explain the purpose of doing it. Transcribing a speaking person would not be swift enough. Converting a standard text would result in information loss.
