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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 309 online users. » 7 Member(s) | 299 Guest(s) Applebot, Bing, Google, Mark Knowles Latest Threads Generally about proposed ... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Stefan Wirtz_2 16 minutes ago » Replies: 34 » Views: 2,848 Historical ciphers, when ... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Rafal 6 hours ago » Replies: 14 » Views: 363 An attempt at extracting ... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: MarcoP Today, 05:53 AM » Replies: 25 » Views: 793 Eleven Moon Phases in Fol... Forum: Astrology Last Post: Dobri Today, 04:58 AM » Replies: 117 » Views: 9,893 Histocrypt 2025 Forum: News Last Post: Mark Knowles Yesterday, 11:59 AM » Replies: 1 » Views: 150 Special "nymphs" around G... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Koen G Yesterday, 06:52 AM » Replies: 3 » Views: 141 Transliteration-related i... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: ReneZ Yesterday, 03:57 AM » Replies: 35 » Views: 13,550 Getting close to a source... Forum: Imagery Last Post: R. Sale 19-05-2025, 08:48 PM » Replies: 180 » Views: 17,473 Upcoming Voynich program ... Forum: News Last Post: Koen G 19-05-2025, 02:07 PM » Replies: 1 » Views: 173 f25v - Corn Plant (Dracae... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Dobri 18-05-2025, 04:05 AM » Replies: 13 » Views: 963

Searching for Depictions of Ears in the Cipher Manuscript Posted by: Dobri - 17-01-2025, 03:57 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (4) Ears seem (deliberately?) missing from the human heads painted in the cipher manuscript.  Perhaps the artist was deaf from birth to ignore such an essential part of the human anatomy. Although wearing a coif to cover the ears and the hair was still a common practice at the beginning of the 15th century, there are no coif depictions in the manuscript.   Help me out here Posted by: GlennM - 15-01-2025, 03:09 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (28) The VM was written on 14th century velum, and was picked up by King Philip a couple of hundred years later. If it were a working document for someone who could actually understand it, it became unusable when they died. So, where would someone salt away a useless manuscript for two hundred years only to have someone come along and acquire it because they know their boss, the king likes this kind of stuff. I would think it would have gone into a library. Would a commoner, or anybody but clergy or royalty be afforded the luxury of having something archived for a century or two? Who would even want it? Were encrypted books a thing back then?  Puzzles without a key get thrown in the fire. Forum members have shared numerous illustrations suggesting that the VM was largely copied from other and better works. In the absence of artistic ability, the writer uses nymphs as some sort of all purpose symbolism. If manuscript was for personal use, the rough and ready finish would be understandable, the perfection in the script is just that, too perfect.  I guess what this is getting to is that it seems common that old books can be traced right back to their source. In fact isnt the authorship of a book a status symbol. Then we have the VM, no author, no key, no meaningful link between sections. I think if it was a recipe book, where are the numbers? Sigh!   Text on the occiput and the right shoulder in Folio 86v? Posted by: Dobri - 15-01-2025, 12:03 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (10) At least three symbols seem to be written on the back side of the head (occiput) and the right shoulder of a person in Folio 86v. Has this been noticed and discussed before? Attached Files Thumbnail(s)       Drawing Errors or Medieval Symbolism? Posted by: Dobri - 14-01-2025, 03:36 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (4) Here is an example from folio 84r, a bathing naked nymph with three hands? Note that the third outstretched hand holds an orb. Attached Files Thumbnail(s)       Virgo's hat Posted by: R. Sale - 13-01-2025, 10:50 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (5) Where did you get that hat? Originally part of another tread, the introduction of the Virgo of Prague [Post #18] started a new line of investigation. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The hat on the Virgo of Prague is detailed and seems fairly distinctive <what do I l know about hats?>, and the VMs representation is potentially similar but ambiguous as usual. Further investigation apparently stalled out for lack of additional evidence. Imagine my surprise to find a similar hat represented twice, particularly given the source.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. In both illustrations, a lady on the right wears a decorated, blue hat much like the hat on the Virgo of Prague. The source is a 1460 French remake of Epitre d'Orthea. The dedicatory illustration shows Philip the Good and his three sons.   Globus cruciger Posted by: Dobri - 13-01-2025, 09:50 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (17) There is a person in folio 86v holding something that looks like a Globus cruciger (the orb and cross) in one hand. In the other hand, said person holds something that looks like a flagellation birch rod (a bundle of leafless twigs bound together). The person looks like a female with exposed breasts. Since the Globus cruciger is a symbol of authority, perhaps it is worth investigating a possible link to 15th century royalty. Attached Files Thumbnail(s)       A perspective on the VM Posted by: GlennM - 12-01-2025, 02:33 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (7) Many researchers find VM parallels in analysis of old manuscripts. I believe the zodiacal maps in the VM have closely fashioned similar maps and charts in other readable books or manuscripts. It makes me think that if some researcher found a chart of which the VM is similar, could that be how we establish a key to break the VM code?  Assuming No matter what the squiggle in Voinichese is, if the number of letter positions matches the numbe of letters  in Gemeni, Tauris, etc, then we have the start of a deciphering. Part of my thinking is that the VM is a derivative document that copied work that has been produced before by others. The scribe took the easy route and copied over the chart and the language, but encrypted it. For me, the only value of the encryption would be to protect any alchemical recipes. Of course, making potions from non existant plants is tricky   Conjectures about the “man without attributes” ( f85r2 ) Posted by: bi3mw - 11-01-2025, 11:41 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (38) Here we can speculate as to what the man in the top center might represent. My guess is the following: 1) The hooked nose is striking. In the Middle Ages, connections were made between a person's physiognomy and his characteristics. Polemon wrote: Polemon: Textbook of Physiognomy Chapter XXVI <Physiognomics of the nose>. .... The nose of a vulture ... and blunt betrays fornication and a predilection for sensuality. .... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 2) The large ring also stands out, possibly indicating the man's high status. 3) The hand gesture with the accentuated fingertip of the index finger could represent the so-called “digitus virilis” (cf. Ger. eleventh/stiff finger 'the eleventh/stiff finger'). In the Rutland Psalter such a gesture is very probably depicted as marginalia.     We could therefore be dealing with a frivolous nobleman. Perhaps a metaphor for spring ? This is of course all highly speculative, but in my opinion quite possible.   Could the multi-point stars be edelweiss depictions? Posted by: Dobri - 11-01-2025, 02:23 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (4) Could the multi-point stars which presumably are used to signal a footnote and also are held by bathing nymphs be edelweiss depictions? The edelweiss (noble-white, Leontopodium nivale) flowers have five to six small yellow clustered spikelet-florets (5 mm, 3⁄16 in) surrounded by fuzzy white "petals" (technically, bracts) in a double-star formation, see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Similarly, the stars in the cypher manuscript have a yellow center and multiple (five, six, seven, eight or nine) white rays. Note that in other star depictions from the 15th century, the stars are shown entirely in yellow and do not have white rays. Please kindly share your opinions. Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'? Posted by: Dobri - 11-01-2025, 10:54 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (10) The attached image hints at the possibility that the scribe inadvertently revealed in folio 70v (Pisces) that '8' is in fact 'd'. Attached Files Thumbnail(s)     First Previous Next Last