A single hand, several handwritings - MarcoP - 13-12-2018
Five of these ten fragments were written by a single scribe. The other five were written by different people. I will post details in a few days, in case someone wants to have an unbiased look at the scripts. The sources were discussed on this forum, so cheating is fairly easy, if one feels so inclined
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - Koen G - 13-12-2018
Cheating would actually take more effort than giving it an honest try. I'd say the different ones are, in the order I'm noticing them:
- 9: slant, like the "s" in "Est"
- 4: several completely different letters like middle-word -g-, final -s.
- 0: tricky because it's more tidy, which doesn't mean different scribe. Still, I see differences in several letters like the various s-shapes.
- 7: again tricky since it's a different layout but I see differences in a number of letters, even small "e".
- 3: definitely different in a number of letters, though it might be a "quicker" hand
That leaves 1,2,5,6,8 as the same hand, although there are some differences between them. But that's my guess.
It's harder than I thought. Ideally I would look for larger samples and search for the same word (esse, sunt...). That should make it a bit easier.
I wouldn't be surprised if I got them all wrong, but you won't learn anything if you're not willing to make a fool of yourself
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - -JKP- - 13-12-2018
(13-12-2018, 07:47 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
but you won't learn anything if you're not willing to make a fool of yourself
This is actually my basic philosophy. Many times I'd rather try and fail than not try at all. Usually one can learn something.
I'm not into cheating. All you do is cheat yourself out of the experience and it's not really winning if it's cheating, it's just fooling yourself.
I will give it a shot when I get my lunch break (or dinner break) and we'll see what happens.
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - Searcher - 13-12-2018
While I quite not an expert and never tried to do this, I'll make my attempt, as I like such intrigues
Thus, possibly, the same hand is:
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - davidjackson - 13-12-2018
I've got my guesses written down on a post-it in the office
Good one Marco. I look forwards to seeing the answer.
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - Koen G - 13-12-2018
David you should at least put it in the mods forum
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - -JKP- - 14-12-2018
I can't devote a lot of time to this (more work to finish), but here is my process and my answer:
I've reorganzed the samples as follows:
Comments:
- I think samples 8 and 6 are the same handwriting.
- 2 is very similar to 8 and 6, probably the same handwriting.
- 3 is messy, perhaps it's note-taking, but also very similar to 2, 6, and 8 and may be the same handwriting
- 0 is formal handwriting, so it's a slightly different style, but it appears to be essentially the same letterforms, so it might be the same handwriting
The style of handwriting of 8 looks familiar. It was used in parts of France in the 10th century BUT these are clearly more recent adaptations, they are slightly less formal than early medieval script. They used this slightly less formal style of handwriting in the area around Rome in the 15th century. This style was also adapted by the humanists when they rejected the Gothic style.
After this, they look like different hands, but I have some comments on them...
- 5 is basically the same style as 8, 6, 2, and 3 but he writes the "a" and the "r" quite differently and the "c" has a flat top, so it's probably a different scribe even though it's the same style.
- 7 looks like a style used in parts of southern Lombardy but I'm not completely sure, some scribes traveled and picked up styles in different places.
- 1 is the same basic style as 8 and 6 but the scribe handles the pen differently, and varies the speed of the pen to create the thick and thin parts. It takes a bit of extra skill and coordination to do this.
- 4 is interesting. I think I recognize this style as well. It is a more classical style and resembles text I think I saw in a manuscript from Bologna (or somewhere around there, I can't remember exactly).
- 9 is stylistically similar to the first ones, but... it's a quick hand and much more connected than the others, a cursive hand. If it turned out to be later than the others (or a letter-writing hand rather than a scribal hand), I wouldn't be surprised. It can sometimes be difficult to tell if a cursive hand is the same hand as someone who also does calligraphy, because the slant, letterforms, and thick/thin balance of cursive styles and calligraphic styles are quite different even if it's the same scribe, but I'm fairly sure this is a different hand.
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - ReneZ - 14-12-2018
I looked at this for a while, and after making some attempt had to conclude that I really had no clue.
Case 0 looks like a humanist hand, while all others more look like some form of gothic.
This made me think of Sozomeno, but I did not look back.
And it did not help me.
The first I would eliminate would be Case 4, because it is ruled, and has a different letter height to line spacing ratio.
After that, I could find reasons to throw out almost all of the other ones, so I gave up.
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - Wladimir D - 14-12-2018
special "G" 0, 1, 4, 6, 8.
RE: A single hand, several handwritings - DONJCH - 14-12-2018
(14-12-2018, 09:55 AM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.special "G" 0, 1, 4, 6, 8.
Arghh spoilers!
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