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| Sitting on a rainbow? |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 19-06-2020, 11:34 PM - Forum: Imagery
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Who's that sitting on the medieval rainbow? There are Christian representations and there are classical deities also.
Who's that not sitting on a rainbow in VMs f82v? The VMs double rainbow is vacant. Who is it not sitting there? Not Dr. Who. It could be any of the relevant possibilities either Christian or classical. It could be any one of those possibilities from a modern perspective.
Tradition indicates the opposite. If previous historical implications are any guide, this is an interesting possibility that connects to Philip the Good, and dates to 1433. Dijon is the Burgundian capital at that time.
The Sacred Bleeding Host of Dijon:
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Sitting on a rainbow - or not. This seems to be part of a pattern put forth is some other parts of the VMs. First - the oak and ivy - whatever is discordant can be combined. Second - whatever is synonymous, whatever belongs together can be separated. In this case the double rainbow throne and its essential occupant have been separated.
While identifying an absent figure really is hypothetical, there is the clear potential for historical confluence regarding the traditions of Melusine, the Golden Fleece as the 1313 Agnus Dei, and Sainte Hostie as the missing occupant of the rainbow throne.
And the close arrangement of these folios in the VMs. How is that a coincidence?
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| Can music uncover the text? |
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Posted by: bunny - 12-06-2020, 10:57 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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“Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything.” ― Plato
Given its universal feature of harmony and maths can music be used to uncover the complexity of the text (not translation)?
As Plato said music, also known as sound, vibratin, frequency, pattern, is built into the building blocks of the universe. I am assigning various notes to the VM glyphs and basically seeing what happens based on variable assumptions of the glyphs. Many glyphs are unclear in their purpose, e.g, is ch the same as c+h or a seperate value, ee or e+e, iiin or i+in or i+i+i+n, how does cfh work etc?
By looking for instances of disharmony (and there certainly are some) I hope to find some answers. B->A# and G->G#->G are not comfortable combinations for sure! So far ch, q and k are posing the most problems. Project ongoing.
Bunny
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| PSA to newbies: There's nothing wrong with being wrong |
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Posted by: RenegadeHealer - 10-06-2020, 04:43 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Since schools have shut down over the coronavirus, my wife and I have been homeschooling our 8 year old triplets. Yesterday I tried to impart an important life lesson to them: You're going to be wrong many, many times, about all sorts of things. Expect it. Any person's perspective on any situation is limited and biased. Other people will be clear about things you're fuzzy on, and vice versa. When someone else involved in that same situation offers you clarity, that's a gift, not an attack, and there is much to be gained from receiving it accordingly.
I had it drummed into me in graduate school and professional training that I should always be honest and realistic about the limits of my knowledge. I try to only state things authoritatively that I'm quite certain about. If I'm speculating and guessing, I try to phrase it in a way that makes it clear I'm not sure, and would welcome the input of anyone more knowledgeable than me. If I flat out don't know, I say "I don't know", and if it's my responsibility to know it, I'm quick to add, "Let me look that up and get back to you."
If someone has a problem with my lack of knowledge or certainty, that's their problem, not mine. I had one teacher who said sternly to me, "I think students shouldn't open their mouths unless they have the right answer." I strongly disagree. I didn't give him sauce, but nor did I sign up for any more tutelage from him, or give him good ratings. As far as I'm concerned, there's a special place in hell for any teacher who's willing to beat the curiosity, creativity, or genuine love of learning out of a student.
I got into the VMS because when I first saw it, it made my imagination run wild with possibilities. I'm sure this is the case for many, if not most, people who get into this mystery. It can be disillusioning to share these flights of fancy, and be told by people more knowledgeable than me that I'm probably not on the right track. But I'd rather know this now, than invest loads of work barking up the wrong tree. If somebody already thought of my idea, and ruled it unlikely based on what they know that I don't, that's something to be grateful for! I've tried to hold onto this early sense of wonder, of "anything is possible", that I first felt when seeing the VMS, while at the same time appreciating and integrating the slow-moving, painstaking, un-glamourous bottom-up approach that's likely to eventually solve it. It's not so much a matter of mixing romantic and rationalist thinking styles, but of knowing when to switch between them, and never mistaking one for the other.
During my time exploring this mystery, I've seen a lot of people show up with grandiose and well fleshed out ideas of what the VMS is, get their ideas criticized by people with different perspectives, and walk away with hurt feelings. Newbies reading this, don't be that guy. Only build and share what you're willing to see get knocked down. Or be honest and upfront that what you've built is a work of fiction. To anyone who's serious about solving the mystery, I highly recommend you share your idea early on, and be upfront about how rough your idea is. Don't flesh it out so much that you can't bear to see your brainchild dashed to pieces.
In the end, you have to ask yourself why you're attracted to the VMS, and what you hope to accomplish in exploring it. And understand that others have very different reasons, and bring very different backgrounds to the table. Go ahead, be wrong. There's no successful person who hasn't failed many, many times.
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| Numerological divination |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 09-06-2020, 06:00 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Recently reading bits of "Magic and Divination at the Courts of Burgundy and France: Text and Context ..." by Jan R. Veenstra.
Pignon, Oresme and others win out against divination.
Those others were apparently in favor of divination. Thomas de Pisan was an astrologer.
Roland l'Ecrivain was a physician for Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy for 30 years, much of which was prime time for VMs creation. So his artistic style could easily be relevant.
Several books are mentioned, including "Les 12 signes dou firmament".
<first link to a JSTOR file - removed>
The author makes reference to this text which is in the Burgundy library.
KBR Library:
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Search by number. 10394-414
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| Glyph count request |
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Posted by: bunny - 09-06-2020, 10:17 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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I am looking for a data base list of glyph counts for whole manuscript. I know there is debate about the exact identity of some glyphs and difficulty in reading some but I'm guessing all the analysis I have seen has been using some kind of close as set of data fro this. No problem finding word counts and single folios but need preferably list that covers most common 30.
thanks,
Bunny
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| Roland l'Écrivain |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 08-06-2020, 12:42 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Posted long ago:
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Wikipedia:
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According to this source
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On page 130: It says that he was physician to the Duke of Burgundy from Jun 1437 till his death (in 1469?).
Philip the Good was Duke of Burgundy from 1419 to 1467.
Another Burgundy connection.
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