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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 1062 online users. » 5 Member(s) | 1054 Guest(s) Applebot, Bing, Google, DONJCH Latest Threads Would a NEW Voynich Manus... Forum: Provenance & history Last Post: Bluetoes101 8 hours ago » Replies: 9 » Views: 189 Just a hoax? Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: ReneZ 8 hours ago » Replies: 35 » Views: 847 Elephant in the Room Solu... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: MHTamdgidi_(Behrooz) Yesterday, 06:32 PM » Replies: 80 » Views: 4,616 “The Library of Babel” by... Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media Last Post: Koen G Yesterday, 11:30 AM » Replies: 1 » Views: 108 Has anyone actually made ... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Mauro Yesterday, 09:58 AM » Replies: 17 » Views: 584 Could incantations explai... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: JoJo_Jost Yesterday, 09:42 AM » Replies: 42 » Views: 2,423 Trip to Egypt Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Koen G Yesterday, 08:44 AM » Replies: 1 » Views: 120 "Abnormal" words Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi Yesterday, 08:28 AM » Replies: 20 » Views: 2,820 [split] Retracer Thread: ... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi Yesterday, 08:21 AM » Replies: 306 » Views: 40,792 THE MASTER REFERENCE GUID... Forum: The Slop Bucket Last Post: Ronald Pittman Yesterday, 02:17 AM » Replies: 0 » Views: 235

What's up with variants of Currier 'E'/EVA 'l'? Posted by: kckluge - 28-05-2023, 12:53 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (8) If you look carefully, EVA 'l' comes in at least two variants, depending on how the top of the 'x' portion of the character is closed. In some cases it's with a single linear stroke across the top, and in some cases it's with an arched stroke (or even a very carefully done '^') across the top. This is not a between-scribes variation, as can be seen by perusing f83v: * You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. shows a nice example of the straight-stroke-across form * You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. shows a nice example of the '^'-top form Given that this is/appears to be a constructed script, the only correct answer to the question of whether the distinction matters lies in the (unknown) intention of the creator(s), but one can at least ask whether from a paleographical perspective this is *likely* to be a meaningful, intended distinction as opposed to scribal haste/slioppiness. Thoughts?   about 「Handy table」by Ptolemaios Posted by: februs - 26-05-2023, 05:52 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (11) I think that v67 and 「Handy table」are similar. especially innermost circle of Handy table and moon circle of v67 are similar. Handy table was made by Ptolemaios. its purpose is to make a convenient chart of astrology. innermost circle mean 'time when the sun enters the corresponding sign'. so black woman mean the time is night. white woman mean the time is day. HERE I HAVE ONE QUESTION depending on the year, the time when the sun enters the corresponding sign changes. so, for example, the sun entering Aries in one year may be daytime, but in another year it will be night time. I can understand if Handy table was made for a specific year. but Handy table was made for convenience. so if Handy table was made for a long time, inconsistent with black and white woman. what does that mean??               The Voynich-Ms as a concatenation of abbreviations Posted by: Helmut Winkler - 23-05-2023, 02:00 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions - Replies (69) The Voynich-Ms as a concattenation of Abbreviations I came to the conclusion years ago that the ms. could not be a coded text and then began to search the shallows of medieval lore for possible alternatives. Three things stood out: the text is almost completely legible in that sense, but makes no sense, and glyphs stand out that are clearly medieval abbreviations; moreover, the same characters and groups of characters appear again and again. I found after some time the little-known practice of using the 'normal' medieval abbreviation system in place of a shorthand that the Middle Ages had not developed and the Tironian notes that had fallen out of use. I came to the conclusion that it was a text written in this abbreviation system. The text of the so-called Voynich manuscript, Beinecke 408 is a sequence of so-called words,  sense units, which in turn are a sequence of abbreviations. The script is a Gothic minuscule with the corresponding abbreviations and additional derivations probably from the Uncial. Abbreviations The breakthrough came when I realised that the character sequence daiin must be read differently, namely as d' aui and an abbreviation stroke, which is then clearly to be interpreted as dicit auicenna - it is actually the problem of textualis, which knows similar sequences of minims that are very difficult to read. One then quickly notices more abbreviations q for the relative pronoun quod EVA q ct for caput EVA c and h 9 cum/con or ending EVA y the two etc abbreviations, EVA g and m   Numbers 2 EVA r 5 EVA s Litterae singulares - Gallows The two P, EVA f and p, M EVA t and N EVA k, the meaning could be Pliny, Nat: Hist., Pandects, Mesue or Macer, (Antidotarium) Nicolai. Marginalia The so-called marginalia consist largely of abbreviations, the best example is 116v,  primum, palden probiren, gas milch, also the so-called spell seems to contain abbreviations, I just noticed that the third a in oladabas is not an a but a con - abbreviation.  17r en seems to mean emplastrum - at least that is what the illustration suggests. Vatican Archives I have heard from a reliable source of B. 408 comparable noizen in the AAV, but have not yet been able to locate the original, perhaps one of the readers works there and knows more. Atahanasius Kircher I think that A.K. recognised and was able to read the shortening system, whether he read it is another question. Avicenna I suspect that the underlying text is Avicenna, Canon, book 2, herbarium, book 5 recipe part and the gynaecology of book 3, except for the astronomical part, perhaps Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos? If my hypothesis is correct, this does not solve all the problems, of course, on the contrary. In many cases you just have to guess what the text means and I am not at all sure that all glyphs always mean the same thing. Conclusion The text of the so-called Voynich Manuscript, Beinecke 408 is a sequence of so-called words, sense units, which in turn are a sequence of abbreviations. Questions and comments welcome Helmut Winkler Translated with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (free version)   what is this pic about? and related v67? Posted by: februs - 23-05-2023, 08:32 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (3) I searched about this pic on google. google replied that this pic is in tetrabiblos. I saw tetrabiblos, but I couldn't find out the pic...(´；ω；`)ｳｯ… what book is this pic in?  and 1st wheel from the center of this pic represent day and night? black man represents night, white man means day? I sounded somewhere so... maybe.. it represent some sort of time. and do it related v67's moon? the moons are white and black. it's 12. perhaps it represent some sort of time...           what is this? v67 Posted by: februs - 23-05-2023, 07:36 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (6) there is in about moon or lunar calendar. what is the outermost thing? it is outside the red letters. I see like a design, can't see letters.           what does mean this picture's angels? Posted by: februs - 23-05-2023, 07:17 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (4) probably, I saw this picture somewhere in voynichninja. I want to know what does mean this picture's angel. mid in the picture mean libra sign. 2nd wheel means perhaps exaltation or descent and so on..of the sign(libra). what does mean 3rd wheel? ( it is most out side) why is written angels?       what is the form like a flower? Posted by: februs - 23-05-2023, 07:00 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (2) what is the form like a flower? they are in v67 or v68 or v69 or medallions in large folio. [添付ファイル=7357] [添付ファイル=7358] [添付ファイル=7359] [添付ファイル=7360] Attached Files Thumbnail(s)                   Histocrypt 2023 Posted by: ReneZ - 21-05-2023, 12:32 PM - Forum: News - Replies (5) While it is not specifically related to the Voynich MS, the Histocrypt 2023 conference could be of interest to some. It takes place in Munich, from 20 to 22 June. The conference web site is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The programme is still in draft form and not all of the information is fully up to date (I will not be a speaker, for example). I am sure that that will all be fixed very soon.   Who wrote the Arabic numerals on the top right of the page? Posted by: februs - 18-05-2023, 11:31 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (2) who wrote the Arabic numbers on the top right of the pages? is it the person who wrote VM? or is it a completely irrelevant person? Attached Files Thumbnail(s)       about pages out of order Posted by: februs - 18-05-2023, 11:25 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (12) there is 58r between plant pages, but 58r is perhaps written about astronomy. why? wrong pages order? or who written on upper right Arabic number wrote it wrong?? and, there is another like wrong. pages that introduce plants are in preparation pages. why? it's a wrong? or right? Attached Files Thumbnail(s)     First Previous Next Last