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| The Suffix [-sedy] |
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Posted by: Hermes777 - 29-03-2024, 08:40 PM - Forum: News
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New posts, including this discussion of the suffix [-sedy] and the glyphs at the centre of the star on 69r.
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| Pisces: March or February? |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 27-03-2024, 10:40 PM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy
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Not long after reading Nick Pelling's latest VMs posting, I found myself looking at the Cologny ms. calendar page for February, and there are two fish of Pisces.
In the VMs, Pisces is labelled as March. However, it is generally agreed <oops> make that often been stated that the zodiac medallion labels are subsequent, later by some indeterminate time, additions, possibly in Occitan. And having Pisces labelled as being the month of March is not something unexpected. <Looking for relevant examples.> The person who added the labels clearly thought that Pisces should be March, but what about the artist who made the original illustration. Are the 29 nymphs a potential clue?
In e-codices there are 60+ versions of liturgical calendars in the 14th and 15th C. listings.
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Of those, there are eight where the calendar is combined with a zodiac. <listed below>
All of them show Pisces is in February in the liturgical calendar.
If the subsequent label on the VMs illustration could be removed, does the Pisces page tend to represent a liturgical perspective? Was the image originally intended to be February? And if so, what is the significance of February?
The obvious festival of February is clearly Candlemas [Feb. 2] - often written in the calendars as "Purificatio sancte marie" or "Purificatio beate virginis" referring to the ritual purification of Mary 40 days after the birth of Jesus.
Perhaps this may seem like a bit of a stretch, but it's not the first example. <I am not promoting any personal beliefs.> This is yet another addition to a growing set of potential religious interpretations from the VMs illustrations. Perhaps it comes down to the VMs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. illustration of costmary. Either there is nothing there beyond a botanical / herbal explanation, or the Herb of the Virgin and the wings of Saint Michael make for a disguised representation of the Assumption. Either it is - or it is not. Either it is full-blown Mariology or it is nothing.
Well, there's always the cosmos.
Cologny, Fondation Martin Bodmer, Cod. Bodmer 30
Southern Germany · around 1200 / 13th / 14th centuries
Frauenfeld, Kantonsbibliothek Thurgau, Y 24
Besançon · 13th/14th century
Utopia, armarium codicum bibliophilorum, Cod. 101
Paris / Tours · second quarter of the 15th century / around 1490
Zürich, Zentralbibliothek, Ms. C 54
Nuremberg · around 1472
Genève, Bibliothèque de Genève, Ms. lat. 33
Workshop located in the west of France, maybe in Nantes (France, Loire-Atlantique) · third quarter of the 15th century
Utopia, armarium codicum bibliophilorum, Cod. 111
Paris · about 1488
Neuchâtel, Bibliothèque publique et universitaire de Neuchâtel, AF A28
Flanders, probably Bruges · around 1500
Utopia, armarium codicum bibliophilorum, Cod. 102
Bourges · around 1500-1510
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| Documents in Archives |
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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 27-03-2024, 10:50 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I think one key to moving the ball forward in Voynich research is to uncover more relevant documents from the archives. Only a limited number of documents are digitised and are online.
I wonder if there are specific documents whose existence is known that researchers think would be valuable to see.(Maybe they aren't able to visit the archive in question, but know of the document from an inventory.)
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| New Post: "I Do Listen to the Experts. Do YOU?" |
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Posted by: proto57 - 23-03-2024, 08:32 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I wrote this in response to the frequent admonition that if I would only "listen to the experts", I would realize why my various ideas... and my current Modern Forgery hypothesis, are wrong.
Well I am a skeptic at heart, and I don't feel being one is a bad thing. But also, when recently so challenged to listen to the experts, I realized something: I actually do listen to them, and always have. In fact I, and anyone who believes this is a modern forgery, along with me, really agrees with most of the experts of the past, and many of the present.
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I do listen to the experts, in fact. Do you?
Rich.
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| What do the star-like images represent? - March 2024 |
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Posted by: pjburkshire - 23-03-2024, 02:51 PM - Forum: Imagery
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If we are looking at a picture and we can't agree on if we are looking at a picture of a cat or a picture of a bus, we are not going to get very far in agreeing on the story it is telling.
What do the star-like images represent? - March 2024
- I think they represent the stars up in the night sky.
- I think they represent souls.
- I have a different idea about the meaning of the stars.
- Don't know / Not sure / No comment.
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| repeating crescents & the faces on f68r1_f68r2_f68r3 |
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Posted by: pjburkshire - 23-03-2024, 12:16 PM - Forum: Imagery
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(18-03-2024, 10:34 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, what you say is a reasonable argument.
I believe that the c-shapes are the symbol of the moon and the representation of its movement, and it is a symbol that by the time of Voynich must have already been fixed. The logical thing is that, taking into account the phases of the moon, the author also represented the mirror image, but perhaps, as you say, the letter c of the alphabet influenced the setting of the symbol.
In any case, in the Voynich we can see an image in which the symbol of the moon, always with the same shape, surrounds the personified face of the moon
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This is probably more of a discussion for the "Imagery" thread than the "Analysis of the text" thread.
I am not convinced that the top image on page f68r1 is a personified face of the Moon, but if it is, what do you see as the lower face on page f68r1 and the two faces on f68r2 and the one face on f68r3?
These same repeating crescents are seen in the upper-left circle on the the Rosettes page. Any comments on what the repeating crescents mean there?
Edit: I would add that personally I think the lower face on f68r1 and the upper face on f68r2 look more like personified faces of the Moon. To me, the upper face on f68r1 and the lower face on f68r2 look more like people. They seem to have hair. I don't remember seeing a personified face of the Moon with hair before.
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| Ensoulment |
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Posted by: pjburkshire - 21-03-2024, 04:51 PM - Forum: Imagery
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Thomas Aquinas (c. 1225 – 1274)
What Did St. Thomas Aquinas Believe about “Ensoulment?”
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Aquinas did say an unborn baby receives a soul 40 or 80 days after conception, depending on gender.
The 40/80-day view is based on the writings of Aristotle, who said a child becomes human at “formation,” the point at which it first “has a human form”–that is, when it looks human. He said this was 40 days for boys and 80 days for girls.
Ensoulment and the Courage of Pius IX
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chapter 18–22 outlines how the concept of ensoulment developed throughout the centuries starting with Aristotle (384–322 BCE) and his hypothesis of delayed animation as advanced in his theory of three types of souls. Aristotle discerned that human embryonic development came through a secession of souls. First, the vegetative soul followed by the animal soul and finally the rational soul. The third or rational soul was believed to come into existence roughly forty days for a male and eighty to ninety days for a female, after the time of conception. For Aristotle, ensoulment did not happen until the third or rational soul manifested—hence, his theory of delayed (or mediate) animation.
See You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. "nymphs" on left.
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