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| Paths to Decipherment |
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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 19-04-2024, 06:34 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I like to be goal focused and I am interested in the key goal of deciphering and therefore unlocking the Voynich. A question that I always have in the back of my mind is which are the best strategies to move towards decipherment. These are my thoughts:
1)A crib or more likely what Nick Pelling calls a block-paradigm. Such a block-paradigm may or may not exist. That would be a parallel and identical document or piece of text to what we find in the Voynich. The question then becomes what is the best avenue to finding such a document.
2)The discovery of a related cipher. This has been a goal I have been interested in, though it is a challenging one as so many cipher records from the early 15th century are lost.
3)Some AI based approach to decipher the script. Statistical analysis on its own I doubt will be nearly sufficient. If AI is used it will need to be highly sophisticated to find the answer from the solution space.
4)Some lost pages or document which will illuminate the script. Finding anything of the kind seems unlikely.
I daresay there are others that I have forgotten to mention.
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| Voynich Talk Episode 1, part 1: A plant is not B plant |
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Posted by: Koen G - 17-04-2024, 02:02 PM - Forum: News
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I have hinted at it a couple of times, but finally it is done. I present to you the first episode of Voynich Talk! I wanted to make more videos like the interviews David and I did before, but also I wanted some more freedom in the format.
Instead of interviews with a single guest, I would like to invite one or more guests to talk about a selected topic.
As for the expected publication schedule, there is none. I don't expect to put out more than one video a month, since these take a lot of my spare time, and also I don't want to wear down potential (recurring) guests and topics too quickly. If I can approach some semblance of long-term regularity, I will be happy.
Normally, the talks will be focused on the guests and their input on the topic, and I will just guide the conversation.
However, for this first episode, we did something different. Together with Cary Rapaport, I have been researching the Herbal section (large plants). We studied different elements of the plant drawings, and noticed that many of them were near-exclusively found in either Herbal A or Herbal B. As it turns out, there are many more consistent features indicating the typical A-style and B-style than were previously known.
We developed the system to such a degree that we could now easily classify most plants as A or B by looking at the picture alone.
I even thought that we could probably teach someone else, thereby testing the validity of the system in the process. And so the idea for the first episode of Voynich Talk was born.
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Thanks to Lisa Fagin Davis, Lars Dietz (@Oocephalus), Michelle Lewis and David Jackson for their participation!
For a more in-depth discussion of distinctive plant features, see:
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| The Voynich Manuscript, Dr Johannes Hartlieb and the Encipherment of Women’s Secrets |
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Posted by: MichelleL11 - 16-04-2024, 04:06 PM - Forum: News
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Very pleased to announce the publication of Keagan Brewer's and my work below:
The Voynich Manuscript, Dr Johannes Hartlieb and the Encipherment of Women’s Secrets
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Published: 22 March 2024
Abstract
The Voynich manuscript is a famous European enciphered manuscript of the early fifteenth century featuring herbal, pharmaceutical, astrological and anatomical illustrations, including hundreds of naked women. Some hold objects adjacent to or unambiguously pointed towards their genitalia. This paper therefore investigates the culture of self-censorship, erasure and encipherment of women’s secrets, with a focus on Dr Johannes Hartlieb (c. 1410–68). Hartlieb had enduring apprehensions about the propagation of women’s secrets in vernacular Bavarian, which culminated in a call for ‘secret letters’ to hide recipes for abortifacients and contraceptives. Other cases of encipherment relating to sexual intercourse and genitalia will be described. On the basis of this evidence, we propose that the Rosettes, the largest and most complex illustration in the Voynich manuscript, represents coitus and conception. This hypothesis explains many of the illustration’s features and establishes a variety of future research possibilities.
Because of licensing fees, this is behind a paywall, but a broader summary is available You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. at The Conversation.
This work expands on what Keagan presented at the Malta Conference.
For those who do not know Keagan and his work, a summary can be found You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
Keagan is scheduled to present on this at our upcoming Voynich Day celebration and we're happy to discuss on this thread.
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| Eclipses |
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Posted by: ReneZ - 09-04-2024, 02:28 AM - Forum: Imagery
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(08-04-2024, 07:47 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Today there was a solar eclipse that could be seen in various parts of the world. It would be strange if there were not in the VM, with so many astronomical diagrams, the representation of an eclipse. Some illustrations suggest eclipses. At least one is clear, although with a very childish drawing.This is this illustration from f67:
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Astrological aspects, angular relationships of the Sun and Moon are represented in the corners of this page. In the drawing that I have shown, the opposition between the Sun and the Moon is represented. In the middle we see the Earth with that nice cone that represents the shadow that the Sun projects on the Moon in an eclipse.
If an illustration of an eclipse is to be expected in the Voynich MS, then surely there must be examples in other (readable) manuscripts.
It should be of interest to have examples of this.
In the past, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has been compared to a New Moon, but it could also be an eclipse.
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| Jakob Pueterich von Reichertshausen and Co. |
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Posted by: amelkin - 06-04-2024, 03:07 PM - Forum: Provenance & history
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1. Centers of events - Augsburg, Munich, Prague - the inner circle of Duke Albrecht III and Emperor Sigismund I of Luxembourg.
2. Group of putative collective authors: Kaspar Bernauer, Johannes Hartlieb, Jacob Pueterich von Reichertshausen, Abraham von Worms and from three to seven more specialists in the field of balneology, herbal medicine, pharmacology, gynecology, astrology, cryptography, cosmology and white magic.
3. Jakob Pueterich von Reichertshausen (1400–1469) was one of the most trusted advisors of Duke Albrecht III, whom Albrecht III also served as an accomplished diplomat, and it was most likely he who wrote the Voynich Manuscript along with Dr. Hartlieb and company.
4. The group developed an imitation font and created the Voynich Manuscript for white magic sessions in order to attract clients to pharmacies, medicinal baths, clinics, etc.
5. There are three candidates for the prototype castle from the Voynich Manuscript: Blutenburg Castle, Nannhofen Castle and Pasing Castle.
6. Perhaps there were several manuscripts.
7. One of the copies was presented to Anna of Brunswick and then went to Emperor Rudolph II. Or maybe Emperor Rudolf II owned another copy of the manuscript from the library of his predecessors - Emperor Sigismund I of Luxembourg and intermediate successors?
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| Is the Voynich Manuscript encrypted (encoded, enciphered)? (April 2024) |
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Posted by: pjburkshire - 06-04-2024, 02:16 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Is the Voynich Manuscript encrypted (encoded, enciphered)? (April 2024)
I think the Voynich Manuscript...
- is a constructed language.
- is encrypted and the base language is Latin.
- is encrypted and the base language is a non-Latin European language.
- is encrypted and the base language is a non-European language.
- is encrypted but I don't know the base language.
- is not encrypted but an unknown script of an unidentified natural language.
- is not a human language but written by mermaids/angels/extraterrestrials/etc.
- is something meaningful but other than the above options.
- is meaningless, all you people were duped by a hoax.
- Don't know / Not sure / No comment.
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